<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Jan 4 2007, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">So what your saying is that a NBA veteran (Erick Dampier) got that much better by increasing his shooting percentage? Whats justification for this? He improved his post moves or got better at layups? Are you on crack? 9 points a game from a starter is HORRIBLE. Thats below league average for a starter. If Dampier wasn't as good of a rebounder he might average 5 points a game. His PPG is terrible for a starter. Dampier rely's on other people to get him the ball in a scoring opportunity. As for watching the Mavs, I have NBA TV. I watch the Mavs at least once a week. At least. Look at his career numbers man. And the whole eye rolling thing was pretty gay.</span> </span></div>Yes, and most starters in the league probably don't have as good of a backup behind them. Most starters probably aren't that age and that size. Most starters in the league probably don't play along with Dirk, Josh Howard, Jason Terry, and Devin Harris. On most teams, those guys would each be AT LEAST second options for scoring, but you think he should score what? 20 ppg? 15? It's not even possible with those scorers. You're out of your mind. You seem to be the one on crack... you think his numbers went up from being wide open on fast breaks. Dampier is one of the slower players in the league. Where you get that I have no idea. Anyway, I said the guy is scoring what he needs to score, and you agreed. What is your argument? He scores all of his points on putbacks and fast breaks. Okay, you know what. Even though you're not a Mavs fan, you obviously know them better oh and the Suns too. You're so bright and you make such worthwhile posts.What do his career numbers have to do with my point that he is playing better this year? That is very non-sequitur.Wow, very mature. You make a poor argument and call something I do gay. You are definitely making great strides in becoming an intelligent poster. Dirk is good at getting fouls. So you were wrong again, and you can't admit it. Too bad for you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 4 2007, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, and most starters in the league probably don't have as good of a backup behind them. Most starters probably aren't that age and that size. Most starters in the league probably don't play along with Dirk, Josh Howard, Jason Terry, and Devin Harris. On most teams, those guys would each be AT LEAST second options for scoring, but you think he should score what? 20 ppg? 15? It's not even possible with those scorers. You're out of your mind. You seem to be the one on crack... you think his numbers went up from being wide open on fast breaks. Dampier is one of the slower players in the league. Where you get that I have no idea. Anyway, I said the guy is scoring what he needs to score, and you agreed. What is your argument? He scores all of his points on putbacks and fast breaks. Okay, you know what. Even though you're not a Mavs fan, you obviously know them better oh and the Suns too. You're so bright and you make such worthwhile posts.What do his career numbers have to do with my point that he is playing better this year? That is very non-sequitur.Wow, very mature. You make a poor argument and call something I do gay. You are definitely making great strides in becoming an intelligent poster. Dirk is good at getting fouls. So you were wrong again, and you can't admit it. Too bad for you.</div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">I don't need to make myself LOOK like an intelligent poster considering some of the clowns posting here. Yes, I agree that the Mavericks don't need him to score more than 10 a game. What we are disagreeing about here is HOW he scores. From my understanding, your saying that he is a guy you can go to, to get a tough bucket. Which is ludacris. As for Dampier running...Dampier is actually pretty athletic. In his days with Golden State he was top 5 in blocks every year. The guy can run and jump. Plus he's a pretty solid rebounder. So yes, he does run the floor with Dallas and get buckets that way. This is how he averages his 9 points a game. Running the floor which he can do, and rebounding which he does. Period.And as for Amare. I never said you can't give Amare the ball on the block. You can. LeBron could probably play center, but he doesn't. Same goes with Amare. He's more comfortable at the elbow blowing by people which is exactly what he did when he put up 38 a game on Duncan. Amare doesn't have a go to post move on the block. But God gave him a sick physical gift being 6'10" and very quick, and he uses it very well. Amare at the elbow makes more sense than him on the blocks considering there isn't any center in the league anywhere near his quickness. As for getting to the line. Amare does not shoot alot of free throws. This is because MOST of his 18 points a game come from the above mentioned. Running the floor, getting an oop , blowing by someone, and even fadeaways on the blocks which he's been doing quit affectively lately. Amare can post up and get tough buckets, but he doesn't much and that would not be using his physical gift in my opinion.There? You understand now?</span></span>
<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">What Im saying, is Phoenix and Dallas could use an inside banger to get them tough buckets and draw fouls. Someone along the lines of David Lee, or even Aaron Gray.</span></span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Jan 4 2007, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">The Suns don't have many defensive players. As a matter of fact, correct me if I'm wrong please, Shawn Marion is the Suns' best player with both offense & D in mind. Amare Stoudemire can block shots but doesn't really have much of a defensive presence to the point where he can scare players from going to the rim.Anyway, on offense, the Suns may be close to perfect. Even the least used players contribute one way or another when they step on to the court. Overall, if the Suns continue playing the way they are currently, I believe Steve Nash can win a third straight MVP award.</span></div>You gotta give Raja Bell some credit too, not like he's a bad defensive player. In fact, he's one of the better defenders in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Jan 5 2007, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">What Im saying, is Phoenix and Dallas could use an inside banger to get them tough buckets and draw fouls. Someone along the lines of David Lee, or even Aaron Gray.</span></span></div>Well you're wrong? What can I say? I just suggest you watch some more games please? You really don't know what you are talking about with Amare at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 5 2007, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well you're wrong? What can I say? I just suggest you watch some more games please? You really don't know what you are talking about with Amare at all.</div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">I wish there was some sort of stat for this, because you are out of your mind. Your acting like he's a pure post player, and only get his points down there. I'm going to repeat myself, Amare CAN POST UP, BUT MOST OF HIS POINTS COME FROM WHAT I'VE ALREADY SAID. Almost all of the Suns mostly score in transition. When I get time, Im going to go to 82games.com and find this stat to shut you guys up. Amare simply blows by people. If you were to listen to a PHX game, you would hear the announcers say time and time again that if Amare had a go to move, he would be unstoppable. They need a guy to get the 8-10 points in the half court, in the paint, with a defender guarding them.</span></span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Jan 5 2007, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">I wish there was some sort of stat for this, because you are out of your mind. Your acting like he's a pure post player, and only get his points down there. I'm going to repeat myself, Amare CAN POST UP, BUT MOST OF HIS POINTS COME FROM WHAT I'VE ALREADY SAID. Almost all of the Suns mostly score in transition. When I get time, Im going to go to 84games.com and find this stat to shut you guys up. Amare simply blows by people. If you were to listen to a PHX game, you would hear the announcers say time and time again that if Amare had a go to move, he would be unstoppable. They need a guy to get the 8-10 points in the half court, in the paint, with a defender guarding them.</span></span></div>I WATCH all the Suns games. I don't need to listen to anything. I know that he rarely gets a lob or points from a fastbreak nowadays. I know he probably averages around 3 mid-range shots per game, more only if he's been perfect from there during the game. I know as a fact that he gets the majority of his points down low and you are out of your mind if you think he doesn't get to the line. He gets to the line 6.6 times per game and that's because he plays limited minutes and wasn't attacking the basket with any success early in the season because he wasn't at 100%. His norm is 9 free throws per game and he is one of the best big men at getting the 3-point play.I gotta go get a haircut now. Buh-bye.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 5 2007, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I WATCH all the Suns games. I don't need to listen to anything. I know that he rarely gets a lob or points from a fastbreak nowadays. I know he probably averages around 3 mid-range shots per game, more only if he's been perfect from there during the game. I know as a fact that he gets the majority of his points down low and you are out of your mind if you think he doesn't get to the line. He gets to the line 6.6 times per game and that's because he plays limited minutes and wasn't attacking the basket with any success early in the season because he wasn't at 100%. His norm is 9 free throws per game and he is one of the best big men at getting the 3-point play.I gotta go get a haircut now. Buh-bye. </div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">Rarely gets a lob, and rarely scores on the fast break? You could watch SportsCenter everyday and know that, thats a false statement. hahahahahaha. He's setting a personal record in field goal percentage but every other statistic is lower than normal, and your telling me he rarely gets a lob? Yeah ok. And Im sure you watch every Suns game. Your out of your mind. I'm not even going to bother.By the way, he's number 3 in dunks this year, hmmmmmm</span> </span>
they are definatelly the team with most long range guns. They have guys that are some of the best shooters in the nba on their squad, but they are not the best. Look at Dallas Mavericks, they arguably have the best starting lineup in the nba. Even when Dirk has a bad game there is Howard and Terry to back him up. A scene where Howard, Dirk and Terry have bad games at the same time is non existent, somebody will step up to the plate. I think Dallas has a chance at the crown this year once again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Jan 5 2007, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">Rarely gets a lob, and rarely scores on the fast break? You could watch SportsCenter everyday and know that, thats a false statement. hahahahahaha. He's setting a personal record in field goal percentage but every other statistic is lower than normal, and your telling me he rarely gets a lob? Yeah ok. And Im sure you watch every Suns game. Your out of your mind. I'm not even going to bother.By the way, he's number 3 in dunks this year, hmmmmmm</span> </span></div>Yes, it's called using his post moves and speed to get past his defender and dunk it. Also, he does that pick and roll in the half court game. When he sets the pick, rolls, catches the ball, dribbles and dunks. In the majority of the fast breaks he's the rebounder that stays behind and passes to Nash to get the whole thing started. Marion is the lob guy and fast break dunker. His statistics are lower than normal because he's still getting back to 100%. Yeah, okay I don't watch all the game... Wrong, I watch Suns basketball religiously. :dribble:
I think amare isnt really a pure post up player at all. Given he can score off the post up, but thats not really his game. His strength is in his athletisism and quick feet. He is much better at facing up a big man and getting around him and jamming it than posting up and putting the moves on. Hes too athletic and quick for most big men to handle. He gets the majority of his points off the pick and roll with nash or barbosa. And if you watch suns games then run their offense through nash but when hes out, every time up court its amare setting a pick and rolling to the bucket. I personally think amare is a little overated, given that he is terrific at finishing on the inside and I think he is somewhat 1 dimensional even though his jumper is improving. But to argue that hes a post up player is just flat out wrong.On a side note, I dont think the suns will even make it too the conference championships this year. The team d is poor and to be honest I never trust a jumpshooting team in the playoffs. As awesome as nash is he cant set his teammates up for an easy bucket every time up court. I would take dallas san antonio houston when healthy and lakers when odom is back in the playoffs over them. (And I say lakers because they are my pick to go to the finals for the west.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ Jan 5 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think amare isnt really a pure post up player at all. Given he can score off the post up, but thats not really his game. His strength is in his athletisism and quick feet. He is much better at facing up a big man and getting around him and jamming it than posting up and putting the moves on. Hes too athletic and quick for most big men to handle. He gets the majority of his points off the pick and roll with nash or barbosa. And if you watch suns games then run their offense through nash but when hes out, every time up court its amare setting a pick and rolling to the bucket. I personally think amare is a little overated, given that he is terrific at finishing on the inside and I think he is somewhat 1 dimensional even though his jumper is improving. But to argue that hes a post up player is just flat out wrong.On a side note, I dont think the suns will even make it too the conference championships this year. The team d is poor and to be honest I never trust a jumpshooting team in the playoffs. As awesome as nash is he cant set his teammates up for an easy bucket every time up court. I would take dallas san antonio houston when healthy and lakers when odom is back in the playoffs over them. (And I say lakers because they are my pick to go to the finals for the west.)</div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">There is a god.</span></span>
<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">Now back to ASUFan. You are correct. Amare and Nash work very well off of pick on rolles. Where is Amare setting those at? Around the elbow. And their fast break usually start with either Amare or Marion rebounding, passing to Nash, Marion or Amare running middle, and the other two on the court spotting up. Am I not correct? How many plays do you think the Suns run in the half court? I think we can both agree on not many. Therefore, when Amare isn't setting that pick for Nash, or getting buckets in transition, he most likely is posting up then. But he's averaging 18 a game, and thats not leaving many buckets for post ups. What Im saying, is they need a PURE LOW BLOCK PLAYER to get them tough buckets. Is anyone following me here? </span> </span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Jan 5 2007, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">There is a god.</span></span></div>A guy who thinks the Lakers will win the West over a Suns fan who watches every game. You're in good company. :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Jan 5 2007, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">Now back to ASUFan. You are correct. Amare and Nash work very well off of pick on rolles. Where is Amare setting those at? Around the elbow. And their fast break usually start with either Amare or Marion rebounding, passing to Nash, Marion or Amare running middle, and the other two on the court spotting up. Am I not correct? How many plays do you think the Suns run in the half court? I think we can both agree on not many. Therefore, when Amare isn't setting that pick for Nash, or getting buckets in transition, he most likely is posting up then. But he's averaging 18 a game, and thats not leaving many buckets for post ups. What Im saying, is they need a PURE LOW BLOCK PLAYER to get them tough buckets. Is anyone following me here? </span> </span></div>I'm telling you Amare gets most of his points down low. Does it matter if his back is to the basket or he's facing his opponent and going in for tough baskets and drawing fouls? It's all the same thing. It's inside scoring and drawing fouls which is how Amare gets most of his points.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 5 2007, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A guy who thinks the Lakers will win the West over a Suns fan who watches every game. You're in good company. :happy0144:</div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">Hey man, the Lakers made a push last year in the playoffs and are definitely improved this year. Although the Suns are too, you can't really say you can look past the Lakers.</span></span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Jan 5 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">Hey man, the Lakers made a push last year in the playoffs are are definitely improved this year. Although the Suns are too, you can't really say you can look past the Lakers.</span></span></div>They aren't even a top 4 team in the West in my opinion. I think the Mavs would beat them in 5 games probably, the Suns and Spurs would both beat them and they'd have tough series with the Nuggets, a healthy Rockets team and the Jazz. I really don't think they have any chance at all of passing through the West. They made a push against the Suns when our tallest guy was 6'8 or 6'7. One of the worst offensive players in the league, Kwame Brown, wouldn't have killed us in the first few games with Kurt Thomas there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 5 2007, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They aren't even a top 4 team in the West in my opinion. I think the Mavs would beat them in 5 games probably, the Suns and Spurs would both beat them and they'd have tough series with the Nuggets, a healthy Rockets team and the Jazz. I really don't think they have any chance at all of passing through the West. They made a push against the Suns when our tallest guy was 6'8 or 6'7. One of the worst offensive players in the league, Kwame Brown, wouldn't have killed us in the first few games with Kurt Thomas there.</div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">You could have said the same thing last year. The west is so much more evenly matched now, espicially with the Jazz and Hornets so much more improved now. Point is, the Lakers have Kobe and they can play defense. Kwame may be a stiff on offense, but he's one of the best low post defenders in the game. I agree, the Lakers not a top 4 team in the west, but since when do you have to be a better team to beat someone?</span></span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Jan 5 2007, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Arial">You could have said the same thing last year. The west is so much more evenly matched now, espicially with the Jazz and Hornets so much more improved now. Point is, the Lakers have Kobe and they can play defense. Kwame may be a stiff on offense, but he's one of the best low post defenders in the game. I agree, the Lakers not a top 4 team in the west, but since do you have to be a better team to beat someone?</span></span></div>You do have to be a better team to win in a 7-game series unless the team has some key injuries. They will get beaten easily if they go to the 2nd round. I wasn't saying Kwame was no good but saying that he had an easy match-up again the Suns. He was much bigger than Diaw and even though he is normally bad on offense he was able to score pretty easily without anyone else his size on D. That was the difference to me in those two fairly close losses in games 2 and 3. Lakers don't take the series to 7 if the Suns had KT.
