Well, Raja Bell is good defensively, so is Marion... Amare and Diaw have improved from before and so I'd call Amare a good defender now and Nash is almost average, but still below. So yes, the best starting line-up in the league, even if not the best on the defensive side.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 6 2007, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All I meant was that Rok and you were my favorite posters but now it's becoming mavsfan.</div>Well, you can go to hell!
^Naw, I'll take Devin Harris, Jason Terry, Josh Howard, Dirk, and Damp/Diop(whoever is starting at the time, lol) over those five.They are almost as good offensively, definately as better in the half court, not quite as good, but still good enough in the open court...And they are maybe the best defensive starting five in the league right now...amazing considering how much of a laughing stock their defense was a few years back. They are far above the Suns defensively, and are one of the few teams that can get up and run with the Suns as well...
I disagree, I like ours much better. Nash doesn't have any problem with any of your starting guard's defense. It's the guys off the bench or Howard that could give him trouble. Raja Bell will get his points also against those small guards and he'd do a pretty nice job against either one. Josh Howard owns Marion head to head, but in the front court I think we win. Dirk's D is still nothing special and Dampier is too slow to stop Amare or Diaw. The Suns starters offensively are just much better in my opinion. Amare, Nash and Marion are much touger to stop than anyone you got other than Dirk. And on defense they are better than anyone gives them credit for. Only weakness is Nash and he makes up for it with being one of the best offensive players in the game.Edit: You bring up some good points but please stop pretending you guys are close offensively with 13 less ppg at 4% less FG%
Honestly, I believe the Suns with Amare can take the Mavs this year. Nobody has touched on how well Nash & Nowitzki know each other, and how that hurts Dirk. He knows exactly how to play one-on-one against big men, and he exploits him nearly every time they are in a one-on-one situation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jan 7 2007, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you watch the Lakers play, you can easily see they are not good on defense right now. They have probably the hardest time in the league guarding the pick and roll. It's an offense they constantly get lost on. It's like everyone on their team besides Kobe doesn't know how to properly switch on the pick and roll, and it often times results in easy points against the Lakers. They are also terrible at guarding against penetration. Teams can easily get into the paint on the Lakers and get by them off the dribble. This letting people get by them on the dribble has allowed other teams to get easy shots on the Lakers. Since I know you like to use stats, I will also use stats against you. That poor defense can be evidenced by the fact that teams shoot 46.4% percent on the Lakers this year, while the Lakers give up 101 points per game. That is enough, for 7th worst in the league in percentage allowed, and 8th worst in points per game allowed. At this point in time right now, teams are getting easy shots on the Lakers because of their bad team defense. They have some good individual defenders like Kwame Brown and Kobe Bryant, but as a team they are a poor defensive team. They are definately a bottom ten team in the league when it comes to defense.</div>Again, valo we were solid defense team before odom went out. It's just that now Cook and vlad rad are getting big minutes and their killing our defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 6 2007, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly, I believe the Suns with Amare can take the Mavs this year. Nobody has touched on how well Nash & Nowitzki know each other, and how that hurts Dirk. He knows exactly how to play one-on-one against big men, and he exploits him nearly every time they are in a one-on-one situation.</div>I think the Suns could beat the Mavs, but honestly I would give it to the Mavs right now. I don't think their starting 5 is better, but it is close and arguable I know, and their overall team is better. Their D is better than it has every been and their bench players are producing, on defense at least and that helps. I said I think the Suns could win but that depends on some things. Amare usually does well against them but he needs to continue to get better and better. I'm hoping he becomes quicker and gets back some more of that athleticism near the end of the season. Our team D also needs to improve which I think it can, especially if James Jones can start shooting the ball consistently. I think he would be our 2nd or 3rd best defensive player, that's how talented I think he is, but if he keeps going 0-5 he won't be playing too much. If he can start shooting the ball then we'll have a pretty solid 8-man rotation. I also think they'll get better because they have been improving as they have gone along. Their D was atrocious at the start of the season but are now starting to get that opp. PPG down.BTW, this thread has been pretty cool. The topic has been changed a couple times. From Suns being complete, to having good chemistry, to the Suns and Mavs interior scoring, to the Lakers, and to the Suns and Mavs starters. It's been fun.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 6 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BTW, this thread has been pretty cool. The topic has been changed a couple times. From Suns being complete, to having good chemistry, to the Suns and Mavs interior scoring, to the Lakers, and to the Suns and Mavs starters. It's been fun.</div>Anytime, man. I don't know how the hell the Lakers got in this, but it's all good.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 6 2007, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Anytime, man. I don't know how the hell the Lakers got in this, but it's all good.</div>The Lakers just always feel the need to be the center of attention since Shaq left them for greener pastures. :no1:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 6 2007, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Lakers just always feel the need to be the center of attention since Shaq left them for greener pastures. :no1:</div>HAHA!! Attetion whores.BTW, BCB and Ballaholic have been incredibly quiet all throughout this topic... strange.Oh, and tell KWebb that HE IS NOT the BBW rookie of the year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 6 2007, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree, I like ours much better. Nash doesn't have any problem with any of your starting guard's defense. It's the guys off the bench or Howard that could give him trouble. Raja Bell will get his points also against those small guards and he'd do a pretty nice job against either one. Josh Howard owns Marion head to head, but in the front court I think we win. Dirk's D is still nothing special and Dampier is too slow to stop Amare or Diaw. The Suns starters offensively are just much better in my opinion. Amare, Nash and Marion are much touger to stop than anyone you got other than Dirk. And on defense they are better than anyone gives them credit for. Only weakness is Nash and he makes up for it with being one of the best offensive players in the game.Edit: You bring up some good points but please stop pretending you guys are close offensively with 13 less ppg at 4% less FG%</div>Seriously though...you don't think the Mavs could still score over 105 ppg if they needed to on a nightly basis? I like the way they play now...give up 90 points, score 100, and cruise through the season.Remember, the Mavs did play the Suns up tempo pace in their series last year...and they beat them...of course the Mavs CAN get stops when they need too :winkglasses: .Damp and Diop will hardly play in a series with the Suns, we all know that...and you are seriously understating Dirk's defense...and at the same time acting like Amare plays some semblence of defense in the process.You starting five might, and I repeat might be better offensively, I wouldn't fault anyone for taking your top 3, or the Mavs on offense...but the Mavs starting five is good on both ends of the court, and owns the Suns in rebounding...But I'm sure we can go on and on about this for days.Point is...the Mavs are a complete team, where as the Suns are the best offensive, and possibly most dangerous team if they are firing on all cylinders.
The mavs can't score as much as the suns but thank God there is more to the game than just offense. The mavs have gotten really good on defense and it will be crucial that they continue to do this so Phoenix will struggle on offense. That is scoring less than 100 points.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 6 2007, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The mavs can't score as much as the suns but thank God there is more to the game than just offense. The mavs have gotten really good on defense and it will be crucial that they continue to do this so Phoenix will struggle on offense. That is scoring less than 100 points.</div>I wouldn't think the Mavs could put up 115 points a night...but I think they can keep PHX to around 100, and PHX can't keep Dallas from scoring more than that...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 6 2007, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Seriously though...you don't think the Mavs could still score over 105 ppg if they needed to on a nightly basis? I like the way they play now...give up 90 points, score 100, and cruise through the season.Remember, the Mavs did play the Suns up tempo pace in their series last year...and they beat them...of course the Mavs CAN get stops when they need too :winkglasses: .Damp and Diop will hardly play in a series with the Suns, we all know that...and you are seriously understating Dirk's defense...and at the same time acting like Amare plays some semblence of defense in the process.You starting five might, and I repeat might be better offensively, I wouldn't fault anyone for taking your top 3, or the Mavs on offense...but the Mavs starting five is good on both ends of the court, and owns the Suns in rebounding...But I'm sure we can go on and on about this for days.Point is...the Mavs are a complete team, where as the Suns are the best offensive, and possibly most dangerous team if they are firing on all cylinders.</div>You are wrong, Amare's defense is better. They are both the same at man-to-man defense but Amare is more of a shot blocker and a slightly better rebounder.You are totally insane, the Suns starting five is way better offensively and their defense is pretty good. They just started off the season bad and have already had a few very long games and the season isn't even at the halfway point. They are holding their opponents to a good FG% and have more steals than the Mavs. Hopefully we can get a taller player before the trade deadline. A little rebounding help would be nice. Of course, if we start out hot and take out your starting centers from the game then I'm not too worried about rebounding at all.Correct and I'm too stubborn to lose. :happy0144: If it is about the Suns it could go on till the end of the season.Btw, I like you guys getting Diop, he would play against the Suns but Damp is just too pathetic against us. And the Suns have won games when they shot bad. They are a better defensive team now and can hold your sorry ass O to around 98-105 points. Amare is going to dominate your bigs next time.4th Edit: Would also like to add that the Suns really haven't lost games because they couldn't play D in the clutch. They struggled at the beginning because the team was trying to find itself early. Players were out of shape because training camp was one big vacation, they had to get Amare as well as some new guys in the line-up, playing 3 back to backs against very tough teams to start off the season... and the few games the lost were because of 1 free throw at the end by Raja. A missed lay-up by Barbosa in another game and another game because of Barbosa and/or Marion missing an easy shot. The team's execution will be better and better as the season goes on. Last year was a year we struggled in games decided by 3 or less, we are 3-2 in those games now.
As I corrected in the before post, your probably right, saying the Suns might be better is an understatement...they are better on a nightly bases on the offensive end than the Mavs.But in a series, I don't think the Suns could consistently outscore the Mavs, while also trying to stop the Mavs scoring themselves.I think ya'll are totally underestimating Dirk's defense, and WAY overrating Amare's and the Suns as a whole...they're better than the Mavs of a few years back in defense, but I still wouldn't trust them to get the stops they need against the Spurs or Mavs in crunch time.BTW, the Suns started out hot in just about every game of the WCF last year...and we didn't play our Centers in that series at all...so getting out C's out isn't that big a deal, not when the rest of the Mavs can rebound still better than the Suns IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 7 2007, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As I corrected in the before post, your probably right, saying the Suns might be better is an understatement...they are better on a nightly bases on the offensive end than the Mavs.But in a series, I don't think the Suns could consistently outscore the Mavs, while also trying to stop the Mavs scoring themselves.I think ya'll are totally underestimating Dirk's defense, and WAY overrating Amare's and the Suns as a whole...they're better than the Mavs of a few years back in defense, but I still wouldn't trust them to get the stops they need against the Spurs or Mavs in crunch time.BTW, the Suns started out hot in just about every game of the WCF last year...and we didn't play our Centers in that series at all...so getting out C's out isn't that big a deal, not when the rest of the Mavs can rebound still better than the Suns IMO.</div>It is a big deal if you do that because last year our tallest guy we had was 6'8 and the 6'7 guy is the only one that could rebound. This year if we get those guys out, especially Diop, then we have Amare who has improved his rebounding and averages about 10 rebounds per game in 32 minutes. And we also have Kurt Thomas back should we need him for any rebounding.And to the bolded sentence, of course they couldn't, I don't expect a sweep at all. :happy0144: I still think the Mavs are better but I think by the end of the season, if we get more luck with injuries this time, the Suns could be good enough to win it all. I'd say we are already the second best team in the league but I'll have to wait until we beat the Spurs in a couple weeks before I can say that.
Ya'll may be the second best team in the league, right now I'd say the Suns...but I'll still wait to see if the Spurs break out of their funk for their normal dominate second half of the season run, before saying that.By the way, Mavs over Suns in 6 :dribble:
I believe the suns scored over 150 points in one game this year. They definitely are the most complete team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jerry Stackhouse @ Jan 8 2007, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe the suns scored over 150 points in one game this year. They definitely are the most complete team.</div>So has New Jersey and New York, does that make them the most complete teams?
Whoa!!ballholic decides to get in on the thread. Well, the fact that the Suns scord over 150 doesn't make them the most complete. The fact that though they are not perfect in every aspect of the game, they work very well with their strenghts and make alot of matchups all over the court. That is why I say they are the most complete.
