<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jerry Stackhouse @ Jan 8 2007, 07:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe the suns scored over 150 points in one game this year. They definitely are the most complete team.</div>If they held the other team to like 89 points, then yes, I would have to agree with you.But you also have to keep in mind that was only one game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 8 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whoa!!ballholic decides to get in on the thread. Well, the fact that the Suns scord over 150 doesn't make them the most complete. The fact that though they are not perfect in every aspect of the game, they work very well with their strenghts and make alot of matchups all over the court. That is why I say they are the most complete. </div>I don't think you understand what the meaning of complete is. To me a complete team is one that has no noticeable weaknesses, or is not missing anything. To me the most complete team is the Spurs, who can do it all. They have offense, they have defense, they can run in the open court on the fast break if needed to, they can score down low with Tim Duncan, they have a pretty good bench. They don't seem to really be missing anything, that to me is a complete team, and the most complete team in the league. The Suns do not play defense, and if your missing something like a steady defense how can you be complete?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Whoa!!ballholic decides to get in on the thread. Well, the fact that the Suns scord over 150 doesn't make them the most complete. The fact that though they are not perfect in every aspect of the game, they work very well with their strenghts and make alot of matchups all over the court. That is why I say they are the most complete.</div>I have been reading the posts, I didn't feel the need to respond until I saw his post.
the Suns do play defense (marginal defense not great defense), but it is vastly overshadowed by their great offense. Besides, their high-powered offense can and does work as a method of defense. Teams do become run ragged because of the regularity that the Suns score with.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 8 2007, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have been reading the posts, I didn't feel the need to respond until I saw his post.</div>I see, and all it took was a ridiculous post like that. oh well, w/e.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 8 2007, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ya'll may be the second best team in the league, right now I'd say the Suns...but I'll still wait to see if the Spurs break out of their funk for their normal dominate second half of the season run, before saying that.By the way, Mavs over Suns in 6 :dribble:</div>I can deal with that prediction right now, even though I think Mavs in 7. :winkglasses: Ugh, there's this annoying faggot Lakers fan at school.... :no1: nm....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I see, and all it took was a ridiculous post like that. oh well, w/e.</div>Yet you agreed with him. So how is that ridiculous? And I love how you tweaked your version of complete to fit in with the Suns being the most complete.
May be late, but I didn't want to read through this all.The Suns have really good man-to-man defenders, but don't play top team D.Raja Bell is a top defender, it may not show up in the stats, but he's like Bruce Bowen. He's a pest, and gets under peoples skin and stays on you like white on rice.Shawn Marion, IMO, is a top 5 defender in the league. He has it all, while showing up on the offensiuve end to. Most underrated player in the league, bar none.Amare Stoudemire is a great defender too, he just has to get his lateral quickness back. he already has his jumping back, or most of it.Diaw, he's an average defender, but he's not bad.Nash, he's just a bad defender haha.Overall, we play good D, but not as good as the teams known as 'defensive teams."At the end of the game, the team with the most points has the best defense."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jan 9 2007, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yet you agreed with him. So how is that ridiculous? And I love how you tweaked your version of complete to fit in with the Suns being the most complete.</div>Please, Rok.Read back in the previous pages to see what I said concerning the word "Complete" I know it's eight pages long, but do some research before you say that I'm tweaking the definition of words to accomodate for the Suns.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Please, Rok.Read back in the previous pages to see what I said concerning the word "Complete" I know it's eight pages long, but do some research before you say that I'm tweaking the definition of words to accomodate for the Suns.</div>I did read it, and you obviously decided to make it known that we had the word complete wrong in your books. Because we weren't saying the Suns, so you emphasized your point of complete to make it seem like the Suns. But really I don't buy your definition of complete at all. Like I said, a complete team is a team that focuses on both sides. The Suns don't do it enough and your statement of "their high powered = a method of defense" proves that they don't. Because that makes no sense. A team scores often and quickly has nothing to do with playing defense. This is basketball, that point does not fit with this sport.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jan 9 2007, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read it, and you obviously decided to make it known that we had the word complete wrong in your books. Because we weren't saying the Suns, so you emphasized your point of complete to make it seem like the Suns. But really I don't buy your definition of complete at all. Like I said, a complete team is a team that focuses on both sides. The Suns don't do it enough and your statement of "their high powered = a method of defense" proves that they don't. Because that makes no sense. A team scores often and quickly has nothing to do with playing defense. This is basketball, that point does not fit with this sport.</div>That's what I was saying, because scoring stops, strong defense stays throughout all games. To me, to be complete is like being whole. If your whole, your not missing anything. If your incomplete, your not whole, your missing something. So for a team to be complete, or whole, they have to be able to play both defense and offense. So like I said earlier, which you have made a better point for here, if your missing something like a steady defense like the Suns are I don't see how you can be a complete team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I used to put the Spurs in that category, but they don't have much youth at all. Every time I see the Suns play, they are so in sync with each other that it's scary. They're pretty deep too. Look who took the game-winning shot against Chicago (Leandro Barbosa).Besides, every player in their starting lineup is top-five at their positions. But of course, I could be wrong. Is there anything you could add or take away from the Suns to make them better?</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The word "complete" was not a substitute for "perfect". "Complete" to me means that though they are not perfect, they have a clear style of play, and the entire team executes in sync with one another. "Complete" means that they play to their strangths, and do a damn good job at it. That's what "Complete" to me means.</div>The only thing similar between those two is the Suns play in sync. You only pointed out your definition in the third page after nobody said Suns.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 9 2007, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the most complete team is the mavs because they have dirk and he is the best player</div>That doesn't justify why the Mavs would be the most complete team in the league. try again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jan 9 2007, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Prostix meet Justice. Justice meet Prostix.</div>And while we're all getting acquainted...Rok meet Common Sense, you two needed to be re-uniterd a long time ago.
The Mavs are the most complete team overall.Great offense, great defense, very deep bench, great coach...it's as simple as that.Now the Suns look like the team that's the most "insync"...at least when Nash is running the point.
I'm not going to be a homer on this topic. The suns do play defense but in the playoffs the game will slow down to Dallas's favor. Rebounding is also important but I don't think the suns will have that much success in a half court game.
