Are we really gonna stick with Blake-Miller-Roy combo all season?

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Yeah I saw that as well, but it was garbage time. Not giving him a pass, but I was watching Nate tinker with new plays. It was more about "timing" than being reckless, IMO. In a game that actually matters, I doubt you see Fernandez be that reckless with the ball.
     
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    Given the time, the place, the score - I did not mind Rudy trying to force some stuff.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I just wish Rudy would get over trying to thread precision passes to Joel; throwing it at the rim is one thing, but trying to hit him in the numbers and expecting something good to happen is wishful thinking.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Joel really has no touch at all. He has two modes on offense: Rebound and Dunk.
     
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    Webs definitly brings more scoring to the table. The surprising thing he brings is the 1.4 steals per game.
     
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    I agree with the Lakers scenario. You would have to replace either Blake or Miller with Webster (Batum). As to which one probably depends on whether Webster can hit the open perimeter shot; if he can, then Miller - otherwise, Blake.

    Regardless of starting lineups, it still looks like Blake will be playing at the end with Roy handling the ball. Without the ball, there is no reason to have Miller on the court.
     
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    I agree, and disagree. Part of the reason we got Miller, was to take a load off of Roy. If Roy did not start getting some help in sharing the load in the back court, he was well on his way to ending up like Dwade did a couple of years back with a buttload of injuries.

    Now that being said, I do believe you are correct about the lineup, and possible changes if facing such a team. But my philosophy has always been you don't want to change your lineup to match up with other team, you want to force them to have matchup problems with you if at all possible. That way you are dictating the game, and not them. That may not be possible with LA. But at the same time, I think it is completely frackin stupid to throw a guy who has not played the whole season into a playoff game without getting him acclimated to the guys he is playing with. The same thing happened when we played Rudy in the starting lineup against Houston last year. He had not played in the starting lineup all year, and here we are in the playoffs throwing him into the starting lineup. If you are going to play the lineup in the playoffs, at least let it get some run during the regular season to work out the kinks and let the players get some timing together.
     
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    when the club is up by 20 half way through the 4th, I don't mind players going for the spectacular play at the risk of a TO at all.

    Rudy played great last night, no buts or ifs about it. Hopefully his struggles are behind him

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    dude sets a mean pick as well.

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    Wait WHAT championship team has that? 1980's Lakers with Magic, Worthy and Kareem? I don't consider Rodman to be as good as Roy by any stretch so that cuts out the 90's bulls as a possibility. Maybe you are referring to the Bad Boy Pistons? Dumars and Isaiah are as good or better then Roy but are you saying that Lambieer is equivalent to Roy? I don't know of any championship team in the past 15 years that had three guys as good as Roy or better. Not many teams in league history have had 3 to 4 guys as good as Roy. I really would like to see some concrete examples in recent NBA history (1990 or later).
     
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    The 90's bulls had Jordan Pippen and Kukoch. I consider Kukoch to be nearly as good as Brandon, but he had a different role. They also had Ron Harper for a while, who was older by then, but he was a top tier star in his day. It mattered what year you were talking about really.

    Right now the Celtics have an assload of talent. Some of it is older and detreriorating, but they are great players none the less, and several of them have accomplished more than Roy has in his carer. KG, Wallace, Allen, Pierce are all stars in their own right.

    The same could be said of the Spurs. Duncan, Ginobili (when healthy) and Parker were all guys as good or better than Roy, especially during their championship years.
     
  12. PtldPlatypus

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    Well, the '08 Celtics had Rondo/Allen/Pierce/Garnett. and the '03, '05, '07 Spurs had Parker/Ginobili/Duncan. And the very well rounded '04 Pistons had Billups/Hamilton/Sheed/Wallace.

    Perhaps it's a bit of a stretch to say all of those players were at Roy's level during the title seasons, but they were all at least borderline all-star.
     
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    I'd like to see either Miller/Roy/Webster or Miller/Rudy/Roy, depending on matchups. My preference is Miller/Rudy/Roy with Blake/Bayless/Webster off the bench. I think that gives us really good balance.
     
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    Look you had a good debate until you posted this. By no way possible was Kukoch as good as Roy. That's like saying Roy is as good as LJ or Jordan. Just different leagues.
     
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    I don't, I like playing smart sound basketball all the time time as it builds confidence and good habits.
     
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    Well I look at it like a job, since all these players are employees for their respected teams. Sometime you have to have some fun in the workplace. It helps you to want to keep coming to work. Could you imagine working for some stuffy boss, micro-managing your every minute? I agree that the NBA should have a certain level of professionalism, but when you already proved that you smacked the living hell out of a team for 3 quarters, why not have fun?

    Also, bringing Oden in the 4th, after we already established a 26 point lead sets another tone to the rest of the NBA. The game was already won. It would show we are rubbing it in even more. AND.... Sorry for so many points. Having the players sit out in the 4th after a huge lead sets another example. That example is TEAM, not "I". Don't worry about stats, just win the game. If you can win it in the first 3 quarters, than you did great and are rewarded with rest.
     
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    their good habits are built up to a point that they were dominating the home team by 20 late into the 4th and I'm not too worried about their confidence. Having some fun when the game is well in hand is a just reward for a young team enjoying a blowout.

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    Thats complete bullshit. There was a reason the Chicago Bulls won 72 games, and that is because they had 3 guys that carried that team. Kukoch is one of them. You may not like him, but last I remember, he kicked our asses all over the place. He was also a major player on the team during the years Jordan was out of basketball. By the way, I said none of the things you just said. What we were talking about is how many star caliber players teams had. We weren't saying one was better than the other. Secondly, just because a player doesn't play the same style as another player, doesn't mean they aren't as good, and because they play off the bench, it doesn't mean they are asked to do the same things that a single star on a team is asked to do. Roy is asked to do way more for the Blazers then Kukoch was asked of on the Bulls. Different roles.
     
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    Disagree, our "good habits" have not at all been built to the point yet where we can "fool around", especially in the second unit. Gimme several weeks of good consistent play and I'll say okay.
     
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    Sometimes a little too mean. He seems to get a lot of offensive fouls called on those.
     

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