<div class="quote_poster">authentiq Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not true, racism is seen as an extreme word for prejudice against race. Many are stereotypical in some way, but not racst.</div> Agree, stereotypical is a better word. I meant that most people have certain instinctive but unintentional thoughts that come into their head when they see different races, not necessarily that they are superior.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i don't want to get into this because race is a sensitive topic but i will say that white people as a cultural group in n.a. as well as australia are the most prejudicial people alive. i cited the central park jogger case cause the cops arrested 4 innocent, black teenagers initially. the arrests were made under duress resulting from the tremendous public outcry of a white female being gang raped by black men. and no shape, i haven't watched pootytang nor undercover brother.</div> I recommend you never go to Europe then, specifically the Netherlands, Holland, or Amsterdam. They have integrated schools for "indiginous" (white) and "non-indiginous" (immigrants) children. The Dutch are actually the originators of the slave movement, using the Netherland Antilles islands, such as Curacao as the center of the slave trading. I find interesting you reference North America as the most prejudice, yet North America, specifically the USA, is the first choice for people to immigrate to. The main source of prejudice in North America in my opinion has to do more with economic factors. I know it's cliche, but the color that matters most to Americans is money green.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i don't want to get into this because race is a sensitive topic </div> too late you already did. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but i will say that white people as a cultural group in n.a. as well as australia are the most prejudicial people alive. i cited the central park jogger case cause the cops arrested 4 innocent, black teenagers initially. the arrests were made under duress resulting from the tremendous public outcry of a white female being gang raped by black men. and no shape, i haven't watched pootytang nor undercover brother.</div>yes there was some serious racism going on IN THAT CASE. but saying "white people as a cultural group in n.a. as well as australia are the most prejudicial people alive" is a bit of a generalisation isn't it? are you one of those white apologists?
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I recommend you never go to Europe then, specifically the Netherlands, Holland, or Amsterdam. They have integrated schools for "indiginous" (white) and "non-indiginous" (immigrants) children. The Dutch are actually the originators of the slave movement, using the Netherland Antilles islands, such as Curacao as the center of the slave trading. I find interesting you reference North America as the most prejudice, yet North America, specifically the USA, is the first choice for people to immigrate to. The main source of prejudice in North America in my opinion has to do more with economic factors. I know it's cliche, but the color that matters most to Americans is money green.</div> i acknowledge europe's restrictive immigration policy and yeah the dutch as well as the portuguese were front runners in the slave trade, particularly the portuguese. however, they for the large part don't have minorities and have amicable international relations with southern (coloured, developing) nations today, whereas n.a and Australia don?t (i.e iraq). furthermore, n.a. and australia have treated their large minority populations like crap; the treatment is accentuated for me in light of the constitutional promises of equality pledged to these minorities groups. u asked me why immigrants choose n.a and australia over europe? simple, they promise a lot more and rarely deliver. am i guilty of generalizations? yeah but for purposes of this thread i felt it was acceptable, although, to be succinct its the protestant anglo's who are the bigoted ones.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">to be succinct its the protestant anglo's who are the bigoted ones.</div> Then I take it you're a 'protestant anglo'?
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Then I take it you're a 'protestant anglo'?</div> haha, funny guy. i was referring to history. look at the first race riots in n.a. perpetrated by irish protestants (the orange order) against the irish catholics or australia being founded as a exclusively white, protestant society which means exterminating the aboriginals or ignoring them at the very least. there are also very obscure historical references which would be very hard to explain in a forum setting.
<div class="quote_poster">deception Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">haha, funny guy. i was referring to history. look at the first race riots in n.a. perpetrated by irish protestants (the orange order) against the irish catholics or australia being founded as a exclusively white, protestant society which means exterminating the aboriginals or ignoring them at the very least. there are also very obscure historical references which would be very hard to explain in a forum setting.</div> Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. How about the Rwandan genocide? How about the Hutu-Tutsi conflict? The Ituri Conflict? The Second Congo War? There are countless examples of racial conflict not involving Anglo-Saxons, probably moreso than actually do involved them. And no, I wasn't trying to be funny. You're making a broad generalization of a race. That makes you prejudiced.
I don't think I can intelligently comment on the path this thread as taken at the moment. However, I do want to suggest that people take a look at the short story "Black Men and Public Space" by Brent Staples. It is a pretty good story, and Brent Staples is an excellent writer. http://somanystyles.com/blog1/archives/33 I think that short essay is very closely related to the topic of this read and so i recommend reading it.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I recommend you never go to Europe then, specifically the Netherlands, Holland, or Amsterdam. They have integrated schools for "indiginous" (white) and "non-indiginous" (immigrants) children. The Dutch are actually the originators of the slave movement, using the Netherland Antilles islands, such as Curacao as the center of the slave trading. I find interesting you reference North America as the most prejudice, yet North America, specifically the USA, is the first choice for people to immigrate to. The main source of prejudice in North America in my opinion has to do more with economic factors. I know it's cliche, but the color that matters most to Americans is money green.</div> T.J. Hicks: Did you know Holland invented chicken and waffles? Deuce Bigalow: Really? T.J. Hicks: Before that you could get chicken or waffles, but they were the first to put them together! Black people all over the world will be forever grateful to the Dutch for that. Deuce Bigalow: You know the Dutch started the slave trade. T.J. Hicks: THOSE MOTHER F#$%*%S! ------- I blame the environmental setting for these prejudices against minorities particularly Blacks and Latinos. Here's my reasoning: If it's 1.) a safe, 2.) ethnically diverse, 3.) relatively stable/rich environment, people won't be paranoid about groups of people of the same color hanging out together like they're a territorial gang. People have this thought where we all got to spread out, we can't be grouped together or people get paranoid of each other. I'm sure there is some rightful fear to be paranoid or supsicious in some city areas like in Oakland or San Francisco or East San Jose where groups of the same color might form their own neighborhood gangs in rougher areas... but there's also a ridiculous amount of xenophobia by those who jump to conclusions about people when they see them. I'm sure the same kind of prejudice has happened way back when there were tons of Irish/Italian/German immigrants coming overseas. The majority probably didn't know anything about those groups except for what they hear and see, but they knew if it was a poorer neighborhood, with mostly all the same ethnic group, there could be some gang trouble. In some of those rough neighborhoods of old, it can be the same trend where people fear the kind of people growing up in such neighborhoods because they may not turn out to be nice, peaceful people and they'll continue the cycle of poverty and crime in that area when they have kids. So I mean, you got people with irrational fear and rational fear and they are hard to separate because it depends on each individual's upbringing, environment, perception, sense of judgement, or events that have caused such prejudice. I mean every situation is different and some people overreact while some react with understandable caution. I'm not from a big city, so naturally I don't have the type of prejudices big city folk might have against other racial groups. I think this whole thing is a city thing or outsiders visiting the city. I don't know the U.S. consensus numbers or anything but isn't there some truth to large numbers of African American communities inside large cities and not in smaller cities or suburban towns? That's probably where the prejudice happens. It's the environment and surroundings. In a rural or suburban environment, this type of thing probably doesn't happen unless one is having a problem with interracial dating or something. I've got a friend who dated this girl and her parents were pretty bigotted about what race their daughter should be dating. It was only light-skin only, how racist was that? It's even worse if the parents and daughter herself were not light-skinned and the parents wanted her daughter to date somebody that is considered more attractive in their eyes or of a higher social standing to them... that's just f-ed up. Or maybe people are fearing that the person is trying to be a player or a pimp type womanizer like they feature in a lot of mainstream music and video. It's a sad world and people are idiots, but you never know if there are people acting like those stereotypes... I never really think about these things until I hear it from my friends... I don't believe that they are making this stuff up or being hypersensitive. Just thought I'd relay it. It's not just fear, but sheer intolerance of physical differences and some people who aren't helping things by being the stereotype. I mean people shouldn't feel like they have to have to be a certain way to avoid a certain label or to be validated by another ethnic group, but I think some people seek it anyway to feel accepted and not be looked like somebody that's totally different. People should be themselves and not care what others perceive them as... but we can't erase other people's perceptions unless we change the environment and current attitude people have. It's tough to be "not labeled" and to be accepted as an individual at the same time. Plus, we shouldn't have to seek validation from other groups. We should just be who we are. But back on subject, I fear one black man and that's probably Mike Tyson. Could he make himself look any scarier after biting Alexander Holyfield's ear twice? Well, he just went and tattooed the majority of his face awhile ago so maybe the answer is "yes." That guy is crazy and he looks the part. Not only is he mad strong, but he's mad stupid as well. So he'll do something that's going to shock people and make people say "WTF"? Nobody in professional sports is as crazy as that boxer. At least Ron Artest can testify that he never tasted human flesh or assaulted some woman. Even that ex-Raiders guy Romanowski? or something isn't that crazy compared to Mike.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. How about the Rwandan genocide? How about the Hutu-Tutsi conflict? The Ituri Conflict? The Second Congo War? There are countless examples of racial conflict not involving Anglo-Saxons, probably moreso than actually do involved them. And no, I wasn't trying to be funny. You're making a broad generalization of a race. That makes you prejudiced.</div> those conflicts u mentioned are all post colonial conflicts. people who examine racial conflicts view it as subjugated ethnic groups vying for the adoration of their colonial masters. for example- the rwandan genocide was the majority hutu systematically killing off the tutsi after the rwandan president died in a plane crash i believe. nevertheless, the genocide oozed with colonial residue cause the belgians who ruled rwanda favoured the tutsi, even suggesting they looked more white. the hutu exacted their revenge on the belgian divide and indirect rule policy (which favoured the tutsi) by killing off their tutsi brethren at an alarming rate of 8000 a day for 100 days while the world looked on. And I cited the anglo protestants caused they have assembled systems of dominations (e.g. racial propaganda= the media) to assert their dominance and degrade ?others?
I really don't think I am. What determines whether or not I am afraid is the situation. Once, I was downtown, isolated parking lot of a hospital where I volunteered, in a less than stellar neighborhood, and a black man came up to me and asked me for the time. I was standing alone, in a parking lot, with no one else in sight. Without hesitation, I pulled out my phone and looked and told him. But he didn't leave, instead he asked if I had any money I could spare--clearly his inquiry about the time was not his real goad. He said had just gotten out of jail and was homeless, and very hungry, and needed money for food. I had no money in my pocket. This is the point where I got quite nervous. He did not look homeless at all. The story ends up with me walking into the hospital and risking my volunteer opportunity to use my free employee meal to sneak him a tray with a hot meal. He said "God bless you" and was so gracious to me. It turned out to be such a great experience. He really was just hungry. One time I was sitting in Burger King, sitting down in the car while eating. There were no other cars in the isolated back parking lot, once again in a pretty bad area. A black man, knocked on my window randomly, startling me, and asked me to roll it down. At this point, I got scared. Why would a stranger want me to roll down the window? I thought it might be a carjacker. He just wanted to tell me that his friends were having a sale of "mixed cds" down the road. Those are the only two times I can remember ever being "scared of a black man", and in both instances, I think I would have been uneasy whether or not it had been a white man in either scenarios, but we will never know. They were both unfamiliar and abrupt situations, where I was isolated and vulnerable, in a subpar socioeconomic neighborhood. So, I would like your honest opinion, was I being prejudice, or was I justified in my uneasiness?
I wouldnt say I'm afraid of Black men, but I definatley understand what you're talking about, and I admit to doing some of the things you stated in the past, not out of fear for my safety, just that the unfortunate potrayal Black Men recieve in the media has me "on edge", but I mean I'll do the same thing If I see a white guy walking towards me if I dont like the look of him, so Its not somthing confined to race.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldnt say I'm afraid of Black men, but I definatley understand what you're talking about, and I admit to doing some of the things you stated in the past, not out of fear for my safety, just that the unfortunate potrayal Black Men recieve in the media has me "on edge", but I mean I'll do the same thing If I see a white guy walking towards me if I dont like the look of him, so Its not somthing confined to race.</div> are there any black people in australia? i'm not talking about abroginals but people of african descent
Yeah, heaps of them. A few suburbs over is a West African community, and there are quite a few African Americans around, and of course alot of Moaris, Samoans, Tongans, I'm actually surprised myself how many there are, if I go out to a club, i'll see anywhere between 10-20 African Americans.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, heaps of them. A few suburbs over is a West African community, and there are quite a few African Americans around, and of course alot of Moaris, Samoans, Tongans, I'm actually surprised myself how many there are, if I go out to a club, i'll see anywhere between 10-20 African Americans.</div> Where in Australia are you? I have noticed a lot of suburbs have a lot of black people then a few suburbs over there are none. I play football (american) with a lot of Islanders. (and thank god they are on my team)
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I play football (american) with a lot of Islanders. (and thank god they are on my team)</div> What the heck are a bunch of Icelanders doing over in Australia? (I really want to know)
