Politics Arizona passes two bills to block executive orders

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  1. magnifier661

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    Arizona Passes Two Bills Aimed At Blocking Federal Laws
    House Bill 2368, introduced by Republican Representative Bob Thorpe of Flagstaff, Arizona, was passed this Wednesday by the Arizona House. House Bill 2368 seeks to bar the state of Arizona from funding any executive orders issued by President Obama, or policy directives issued by the Department of Justice.

    According to the Arizona State Legislature website, the bill includes the following provisions:

    "1. Prohibits this state or any of its political subdivisions from using any personnel or financial resources to enforce, administer or cooperate with an executive order issued by the President of the U.S. that has not been affirmed by a vote of Congress and signed into law as prescribed by the U.S. Constitution.

    2. Prohibits this state or any of its political subdivisions from using any personnel or financial resources to enforce, administer or cooperate with a policy directive issued by the U.S. DOJ to law enforcement agencies in this state that has not been affirmed by a vote of Congress and signed into law as prescribed by the U.S. Constitution."

    If the bill becomes a law, Arizona would essentially be independent of federal laws.

    Republican Representative Justin Olson of Mesa, Arizona, introduced a similar bill, House Bill 2643, which seeks to stop state and local governments from using financial resources to enforce and implement the Affordable Care Act, as reported by KVOA News. House Bill 2643 was also passed by the Arizona House and will move to the Senate.

    Sources: the Arizona State Legislature website, The Republic, KVOA News
     
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    I hope this gets shot down simply because it will open up a giant can of worms.
    Also its stupid. Arizona is acting like a spoiled brat thats been told by their parent no more ice cream for dinner because they have gotten too fat and they need to instead eat celery.
     
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    I say let them do it. But they also must secede from the Union and not get any federal funding if they want to go this route.
     
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    What if a republican gets elected president? This is beyond dumb.
     
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    Grandstanding. Has no more long term value than a Mags post about Donald Trump's poll standing.

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    And when AZ runs out of water (should be any day now) the rest of the country tells them to go fuck themselves. What a bunch of short sighted morons.
     
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    So, HB2643 about Obamacare--that seems bogus. But HB2638, about not enforcing EO's and DOJ PO's, but only enforcing laws actually passed through congress--why is that bad?

    This is not me defending their actions--this is me attempting to engage a legitimate discussion. Any takers?
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. It seems they don't want to support "executive orders" that haven't been passed through congress.

    Not saying I agree with their actions, but they do have beef. Why should states support law that didn't go through due process?
     
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    I tend to agree.... I hate that the president can basically skip that shit.
     
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    It really sucks too because some good ideas and law can pass. With this legislation, all laws can be ignored. If wasn't for the abuse of executive orders, none of this would really be a major issue here.
     
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    Sorry for being an old cynic but......gotta wonder if AZ would have even dreamed up a bill like that if the president was a Republican. Like Obama is the first prez of either party to ever do an end run.....
     
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    Probably not. And you have a great point.
     
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    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii


    Article II
    Section 1.

    The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

    Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.


    The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.

    The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

    In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

    The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    [paste:font size="5"]Section 2.
    The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

    He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

    The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

    Section 3.
    He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.

    Section 4.
    The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
     
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    The colorado river runs through Arizona.

    Lake Meade is in Arizona.
     
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    Executive Orders are explicitly related to laws passed by Congress.

    There's just so many laws passed by congress that the president's team scour through them and find language to be exploited for their agenda.

    Federal law trumps state law.

    I don't think Arizona has a leg to stand on.
     
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    And your point? That river feeds towns and cities in four states. Four generally arid states with growing populations enduring a prolonged drought. The Colorado River can't be counted upon to provide enough water much farther into the future. If the current direction of climate change continues (climate change deniers jump in here) the Pacific Northwest and the Great Lakes states are going to see an unprecedented influx of climate change refugees. So fuck Arizona.....
     
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    Arizona has water.

    A lot of the state has woods and lakes and so on.

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    I bet it rains a lot this winter.

    Then what?
     
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    Then the sun will come out.

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