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Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by PtldPlatypus, Jun 6, 2022.

  1. WesleyMatthews

    WesleyMatthews Well-Known Member

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    If they just keep all the picks maybe. I'd expect they trade away picks at this and next year's draft for future picks.

    Eventually they either consolidate picks to multiple stud top5 type picks. Or they eventually make a win now move and trade tons of picks for a couple all stars.

    Their doing a great job of rebuilding, as they have tons of possible directions they can go to add elite talent.
     
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    Maybe warriors got close to matching dollars? He can still get paid, work less hours, and hold out for more $ on next HC offer.
     
  3. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    There is no precedence for this outside of maybe Boston in 08, but that model is tough to replicate in a market like OKC.

    I have a bold prediction. Presti jumps ship in a year or two.
     
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    cause you say so? I don't agree at all

    you don't build a team around a role player and at this point, that's all Ant is. We're talking about trading away a franchise player because of Simons? That's not a foundation for a rebuild; that's a foundation for becoming the Sacramento Kings. That's "we don't draft Chris Paul because we have Sebastian Telfaire". That's Linsanity
     
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    Give me the Detroit '23 or Washington '23 pick
     
  6. wizenheimer

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    took a while to sort thru all those didn't it?
     
  7. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus They don't do much, you know Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    No... we're talking about trading away a franchise player because many believe it will not be possible to build a contender around him given his age and our current level of assets, and this trade moves our window for reaching contention by about 8 years.
     
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    No one wants Lillard because he's not as good as Curry.
     
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    red herring

    that's not the point I was arguing...at all. I was saying that it's stupid to try and build a team around Simons as the foundational piece. If you want to keep Simons that's fine; I don't mind. But for fucksakes he has not come anywhere close to showing the level of talent, and the base of skills, for enough time, in enough circumstances, that you trade the franchise player to build around him. At this point he's a supporting player and you don't build a roster based upon a supporting player...unless you're the KIngs
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus They don't do much, you know Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    We don't if he is or can be a foundational player. If he is good enough, we'd find out soon enough, and be in great shape going forward. If he isn't... we'd find out soon enough, and have another lottery pick next year. Either way, we'd avoid another purgatory situation.
     
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    the past purgatory was built on bad management and poor ownership. Certainly I haven't seen many saying current management is good. And it's a fairly unanimous consensus that ownership still sucks. So I don't know how it is you can know trading away Dame avoids purgatory.

    but that's a much broader argument when what I was saying, simply, was that Simons was not a player a team should commit to building around. Maybe he should be shopped just like Dame...or maybe even before Dame
     
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    What did Boston do in 08? They just kept most of their team together.
     
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    Simons has proven himself to be better than Telfair.
     
  14. illmatic99

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    sigh

    surely you realized that i meant 07-08 when they moved the 5th pick and youngsters for allen/kg/etc. but let's be pedantic and act incredulous instead...
     
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    Here is the problem with the comparison. Boston was the first to show how a superteam could be put together
     
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    too vague

    are you talking Russell-Cousy-Havlicek or Bird-Parish-McHale or KG-Pierce-Allen?
     
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    Point taken, but the difference is KG and Allen were already established stars when Boston added them
     
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    i think the Lakers adding Davis in exchange for all their youngins is another example of a consolidation trade of picks/youngsters for stars. But again, in the LA market where they could draw free agents and other veterans to help them win a title.

    I question whether that approach is feasible in OKC.

    I think their best bet is to get as many shots on goal at the top of the draft to try to build a star from in-house. But my original point remains-- those picks later on in the first will start to lose value over time because they have monopolized them in a league with a finite number of roster spots and guaranteed contracts. They will have no choice but to consolidate eventually.
     
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    When did Bridges become involved in the drug scandal?
     
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