Around the NBA: February 2019 edition!

Thanks for the explanation. I think they should consider changing the rules.

 

I believe you because you are the experienced ref...I just don't believe in this rule or whatever is written that the NBA is referring to

 

@dviss1 my man, you can't tell me that it doesn't look like after he took 3 steps he is about to dribble again, realizes he doesn't have his dribble and that is when he loses control of the ball. If that's not a travel then there is no reason to ever dribble the ball.

 

Not me. That would be a travesty if the rule of control was not taken into consideration when calling traveling.

 

Looked like semi-controlled juggling to me. I don't think that should be allowed. Just my opinion though.

 

He reacted to the defense. And you can't count the step where he dribbles. He only took 2 prior to losing control. After regaining control he can establish his pivot and even lift it.

Again, he reacted to the defense. He lost control of it.

To say he attempted to juggle the ball purposely (because I guarantee you be doesn't know the rule on control) to get away with traveling on purpose is silly.

 

I'm just confused why the previous 2 steps shouldn't count? Who cares if he lost control of the ball (on his own account mind you)? Why be so forgiving in this case for losing control of the ball?

 

Because the hard and fast rule is that one must have control of the ball to travel. This prevents calling traveling in situations where there is no control like a scrum for the ball. There are lots of situations in which you would not call traveling due to not having control.

That rule will never change.

 

Seems very easy to do this on purpose and make it look accidental and take advantage of the rule then. It wouldn't fly in pick up ball at all.

 

If he had picked the ball up and fumbled it (therefore he has lost control over the ball) and then dribbles isn't that still double dribble? I get that in a "scrum" or some situations where you never had possession of the ball, to begin with you have to be allowed "steps", I'm having a little trouble with the idea that a player has possession of the ball goes to make a play, realizes it's a super bad idea then loses control of the ball all on his own, no one touched him or the ball, that he can basically continue to walk.
I guess the rules are what they are, but it certainly looks ugly and seems like enough wiggle room that an incredibly crafty player could "act" like they are fumbling the ball as they are basically just giving themselves more steps. Seems like there should be more to something has to cause that fumble outside of your own coordination problems...

 

read his Tweet somewhere and he had pictures of himself as a kid going to Cavs games...he was a childhood Cavs fan...got tickets to their games for birthday presents from his dad....and that's coming from Canada...happy for Nik and they need what he does

 

Referee a bunch of games (thousands) and natural basketball movement is easy to tell.

It just is.

 

Illegal dribble is a MUCH different call than traveling.

Don't conflate the two.

 

Let it be known that there is not one player on the planet that could do this purposely.

First off neither players nor coaches know the rule well enough. Secondly, it'd be so easy to tell if it was purposely attempted.

It'd be some Shaqtin' a fool type stuff.

 

I understand that completely, but one of the pretty easy things to do vs a slow defender if you pick up your dribble is let them hit it out of your hands, because you lose control of the ball you get your dribble back.
Yes they are different, but the idea of I can just lose the ball all by my self and that gives me more steps seems really strange to me, like I said I understand what you’re saying but it still feels off...

 

This is not illegal. Control was lost because while in possession of the ball, it contacted your opponent. You can even dribble afterward.

You don't get "more steps". You get to establish a pivot foot.

 

I bet the Players and the coaches after the Beal play are a lot more educated on the rule now then a week ago.

 

idk the tuck rule, but it feels a lot like the old "Raider Rule."

 

There isn't one NBA player that would do this. Not one. I've actually never seen this. I've seen players try to throw it off of their opponent but not LET them hit it.