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Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by UKRAINEFAN, Feb 1, 2020.

  1. blazerfan11

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    Khris Middleton has really shot the ball well this season, a notch up in shooting efficiency compared to previous years. I wonder what he did or his team did for that to happen.
     
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    James Harden, Luka Doncic. Crafty scorers who can pass the ball well.
     
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    Just because you definie it one way doesn't make it so. Green has been an all star 3 times in his 8 seasons and played over 30mpg in 5 of those seasons. Ginobli has only been an all star 2 times in his 16 seasons and averaged over 30mpg in only 2 of those seasons. Not sure how you can consider one a complimentary player and the other not. Durant only won one championship with GS and Green won 2 without Durant on the roster. Green was part of their "big 3" before Durant came along and was as important as Ginobli or Parker were to the Spurs.
     
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    Other way around. Green one won before Durant joined and the Warriors won two with Durant.

    I mean, they should have won two with Green before Durant joined, but the 73-win season culminated in them being upset in the Finals by the Cavs when the Warriors had a lot of injuries (and Green got himself suspended for a game due to too many technicals, which was both stupid on his part and also highlighted his value as that loss turned the series).
     
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    ah well, close enough. :bgrin:
     
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    we're talking about subjective definitions of subjective notions about types of roles on a basketball team. It's all opinion, so when you say "it doesn't make it so" that seems a meaningless comment because there is no "so" anywhere around. There isn't any 'truth' to be found here floating in a sea of opinion

    ok then the difference between a main player or a complementary player....IMO

    I'd define a main player as one who can carry a team when the team is down or bad. Portland has maybe the worst team since Dame was a rookie, but he's putting up the best numbers of his career. His production and efficiency hasn't dropped. Dame is a core player, a main one

    * Green has a career mark of .435 in FG% but he's shooting .388 this year, his worst mark in the last 7 years
    * Green has a career mark of ..506 in 2ptFG% but he's shooting .457 this year, his worst mark in the last 6 years
    * Green has a career mark of .320 in 3ptFG% but he's shooting .287 this year, his 2nd worst mark in the last 7 years
    * Green has a career mark of .496 in eFG% but he's shooting .447 this year, his worst mark in the last 7 years
    * Green has a career mark of .532 in TS% but he's shooting .491 this year, his worst mark in the last 7 years

    * Green has a career PER of 15.1, but he's at 12.7 this year, his worst mark in the last 7 years
    * Green has a career rebounding rate of 13.3%, but his rate is 11.7% this year, the worst mark of his career
    * Green has a career mark of .132 in winshares/48, but he's at .048 this year, his worst mark in 7 years
    * Green has a career BPM of +3.4, but he's at -0.6 this year, his worst in 7 years

    the only area Green has maintained his norms is in assists, but that's generally a complementary skill

    the difference between a main player and a complementary one shows up in comparing Dame and Green. Green is on a bad team this year and his numbers have cratered almost all the way across the board. Dame is on a bad team right now, but in all those categories where Green has collapsed, Dame is at career highs

    so yeah, Green is a complementary player....IMO. That does not mean he wasn't essential to Warrior success. But that's why I said he was probably the best complementary players since Rodman
     
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    Generally it seems like whether a player is a "main player" or a "supporting/complementary player" in the eyes of fans is whether they're good at scoring. In some respects, that's fair--as a solo star, you can't carry a team very well if you can't lead them in scoring. In other respects, that's not so fair--championship teams (almost) never consist of a single star, so the real question is how much you drive success in an ecosystem of two or three stars. I think Green is a "main player" in the overall success of the Warriors' run. He basically does everything (at least prior to this year) except be a potent scorer and has been a huge part of the team's defense (as the effective quarterback and all-court defender) and offense (as a facilitator).

    This season seems to illustrate that Green is a poor choice as a solo star, but I think he remains a true star when he has other scoring stars on the team.
     
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    I kind of see the distinction as could this player carry a team without the other stars for like half a season. Scoring plays a part in that no doubt. Thats where Im torn with ginobili we never really saw him without Timmy and Parker, I think he could carry an NBA team for a while. By carry I mean keep them around 500 with subpar talent.
    Rodman and Draymond I dont think they can, their skills are so dependent on others (that’s not trying to diminish their talent and how important those type of guys are.
    Sorry I am making no sense right now, which is normal I guess heh. :)
     
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    Rudy Gobert is an example to the contrary.
     
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    Could Rudy Lead a team to the playoffs as a solo “star”?
     
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    Probably.
     
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    Its a tough question because to be fair the west is stacked you really need two guys, the days of AI or Lebron carrying a team to the finals are probably gone.. look at how good Dame is and where the Blazers are. That said I think Center has been de-emphasized a lot. I think Id lean towards no with Rudy, but I understand why someone would would say yes.
     
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    Not a chance in the world IMO.
     
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    No way. A perfect example is that Anthony Davis couldn't do much at New Orleans and he had some quality pieces to help him and AD is a superior player to Gobert.
     
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    This is excellent:
     
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    Shaq couldn't do it without Kobe.
     
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    Re: defensive-minded "complementary" players - could they win? Well: Bill Russell has 11 rings.
     
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    Didn't Mutombo do that, and furthermore, beat the #1 seed in the first round?
     
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