As expected, Afflalo is going to opt out

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  1. riverman

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    He just missed being on the allstar team in Orlando..he had a great season there. Barton played for a different coach in Denver, they fired Shaw and Afflalo in his trade interview said it was a train wreck lockerroom..be underwhelmed but understand the history
     
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    He had the same problem in Denver; only 11.7 PER there.

    Look, his career PER is 12.7; CJ's already showing he can do better than that. I liked Arron a lot as a person and as a team member, but I can see where we wouldn't pick him up.
     
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    I think we should be able to agree that when Wes was healthy, Arron's presence made the team bette (and if not, look at the analytics of the team's performance when Wes and Arron played together). Does a good trade become a bad trade because a player who was not involved in the trade got injured?

    I was hoping we could bring everyone back for one more shot at seeing what this group could do if healthy, with CJ and Meyers contributing as 6/7th men all year, but it seems like it's just going to cost too much. Afflalo really shouldn't be the first domino, but I'm really starting to feel like a rebuild is coming. Perhaps it's time to prepare for a starting lineup that involves CJ, Crabbe, and Leonard.

    I think I want to cry.
     
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    Dame/Wes/Afflalo/Batum/Aldridge lineup to close games was fuckimg awesome while it lasted. People forget that. We won like 4 straight with that crew and were on a roll before Wes went down. Then people criticize Afflalo during playoffs but he was HURT.
     
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    He said "if we bring everyone back."
     
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    +>That would be a powerhouse line up if LMA wants a team over $$$$.
     
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    In exactly the same way that Oden was a great draft pick. Because in some possible world he would've been GREAT.
     
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    Yes, it's unfair to criticize him when he's hurt. It's also unnecessary, because he was crappy long before that.
     
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    Show us!
     
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    http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612757/lineups/advanced/

    It won't matter, because any dissenters will just yell "Small sample size!", but in the short amount of time that we got to see a Lillard/Matthews/Afflalo/Batum/Aldridge fourth quarter lineup, they were ridiculously effective.
     
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    Here's some small sample size from the playoffs:

    http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/2mprY

    There were four 4-man combos that scored more points than Memphis. Three of them included CJ and all four included Meyers. I discount Arron being in the bottom three because he was legitimately injured.

    Interesting that "our starters" was one of the worst performing lineups.

    I like Afflalo, and if he's fine being backup SF instead of Crabbe, I'm okay with that. But CJ is our backup SG now. He's earned the opportunity. Additionally, Meyers is now our backup PF.
     
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    Yeah, it's a bit like the Jerm for Davis trade. It was the right move at the time.
    But man, this one REALLY stinks. I'd rather have just ONE of the pieces we traded away than AAA, but the fact that we gave THREE (?) assets away for him really hurts.
     
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    Also, we can thank Stotts for forcing Olshey's hand in making that trade. Had Stotts actually spent more time during the regular season developing CJ (and Meyers) then perhaps we wouldn't have felt the need to trade for a back-up SG. But no, Stotts has to stock up on early-season wins in order to survive the mid-season slide his team always goes into once the rest of the league starts rounding into shape.
     
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    How would you like the lineups ranked? PIE? Net rtng?

    Fair point. But then, he did hire Stotts, didn't he?
     
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    Yup. See the Olshey thread for my thoughts on that.
     
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    I think Stotts did an incredible job juggling the roster with 9 guys injured. CJ was injured for most of 2 seasons and didn't play great early in his comeback. Meyers didn't play great until late in the season. CJ isn't even in Afflalo's league defensively and CJ has 3 years in the system. Hopefully CJ and Meyers continue to improve and earn rotation minutes but it's not a knock on Afflalo's abilities....he's an unnecessary scapegoat
     
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    Um, you better discount our starters as well, then, as they included Afflalo.

    But anyway, Memphis game-planned for our starters. We actually held them pretty well too, it's just that their great defense was too great.

    HOW fine are you with him? He just opted out of an over $7M contract. You want to pay a career sub 13 PER guy 8 or 9 mil?
     
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    It would be scapegoating if we blamed ALL our misfortunes on Afflalo. It's not scapegoating to point out that he's a career sub-average NBA player who doesn't rebound or assist AT ALL and is too short to guard most SFs. He did ABYSMALLY as a Blazer, but he didn't do that much better as a Nugget.
     
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    Of the many guys I'd prefer to Afflalo, Iman Shumpert is one. Paired with Lillard, that would be a nice backcourt . . .
     
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    NY has the cap space and pick to absorb the salary and give us cap relief.

    As much as many in here, including myself, doesn't like Batum's passive offense, he's a great distributor, understands how to play with ball dominant players, plays above average defense and can play 3 positions.

    Putting him in with Melo would be a perfect combination IMO.

    So, if we could somehow gain about 5 mil with the lop sided trade, we would have a good chunk to offer max, with a few minor moves to get there.
     
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