There's no way I do this. Not in a hundred years. I'd rather have Oden than anyone in this draft than Wall. Ed O.
I know it was touched upon in this thread earlier, but IF we were to look at getting a pick up that high, I'd imagine it would have something to do with Bosh. There was something I read the other day, about the NBA saying teams can discuss details of a S&T, but, obviously, can not discuss it with the player. Undoubtedly, Bosh has talked to Toronto management about where he might like to go. My thought would be , again, IF true, PDX and Hou both inquired to Colangelo about Bosh. And BC likely said I'd want Cousins for him, not Aldridge, or Hill/Scola. So then PDX and Houston turn around and see what it'd take to get the #3 or 4 to get Cousins. One might say why wouldn't NJ just trade #3 for Cousins, it's quite possible Bosh already told BC he doesn't want to go there. So it's not like they can cut us out of the deal and get Bosh. The big problem I see is moving Aldridge for the #3, and then having pieces to move for Bosh. I suppose our best bet is Aldridge to NJ for #3, and then Joel, Martell, Rudy and #3 for Bosh. Although I don't see NJ moving #3 for Aldridge, with all of their cap space. They can sign Boozer, and still have the #3 pick. We'd need to give them some other incentive. Unless Bosh took a slightly less than max deal, in which we could send Rudy, #22 and LMA to NJ for #3, and then #3, Joel and Martell for Bosh. Would leave us with Miller/Bayless Roy/Bayless Batum Bosh/Cunningham Oden/Camby However, we'd have our MLE, the BAE, vet minimum, AND an 11.9 million dollar TPE. Turn around and trade that for, say, Beasley and James Jones and their first rounder? To Chicago for Hinrich and their first, or Deng and their's?
So this might be a bit out there, but given the other ideas discussed in this thread, I don't believe it's Egregiously so... The rumor is that Portland is working hard to "move up" to 3 or 4. My thoughts on this are, a) we heard last year that KP was trying hard to move up multiple times, like a game of leapfrog, and b) who's to say that this is a complete rumor? As a rule, I don't doubt Woj, he's generally the most accurate and well informed basketball writer that follows the NBA (to my knowledge anyway), but that doesn't mean that, assuming this rumor has teeth to it, that it's not just part of the rumor... Here's what I think: I think "Portland trying to move up to 3 or 4" doesn't make alot of sense to me, simply because there's only 1 player in this draft that makes sense for our current situation, that player's name is John Wall. Cousins and Favors are both very talented players, and both could end up being better than GO and LA respectively, but given the situation we're in NOW, looking to advance in the playoffs, beginning to enter our star's prime, rising star at the 3, young, talented potential at the 4 and 5, and a fading PG that happens to be a bit of a square peg to begin, Wall is the only player that makes immediate sense. What if Portland were talking to DC and NJ/Minny about a 3way. Both NJ and Minny have pgs who may (or may not) be available for the right price, and Washington knows that if it traded down to 3 or 4 they could still get a very talented player, along with other pieces. What if Portland traded Nic Batum and 22 to Minny for 3 and Corey Brewer? Minny's been said to be looking for an upgrade at the wing and he could be a star there, not to mention they have 3 1st round draft picks that they could package to gether to move back up if they wanted. Meanwhile, Portland makes a big jump to 3 and brings in a similar player who, when health, has been reasonably productive. Portland can make this trade because it has 2 solid, young 3s with a 3rd stashed in Europe, and potentially a 4th mending his groin in LA. From there, we could trade future picks, cash, Rudy, Bayless, Miller, 3, euros, Dante Cunningham (have to believe he'd be popular in DC playing only 3 hours away in the big east), and whatever it took to move up to 1 for Wall. Obviously this is a hazy 'idea' at best, but in trying to make sense of what we've been "given" by woj... It just doesn't compute with me. For better or for worse we're all in with Oden, and, unless this is all to turn around and trade the 3 for Bosh, LA, despite his shortcommings, will still be better in the coming years than Favors. Wall, to me, is the only way this puzzle makes sense...
I think the real target should be Andre Igudala now that the 76ers are going to draft Evan Turner at 2. Trade Joel's contract + Webster + the 22nd pick for him. He's a tough defender and a scorer that can got the FT when the jumpshots aren't falling.
If Bosh wants the max, then we'd probably have to include more salary going to TOR. Possibly switch Dre for Marty.
Rudy had a 32 PER in Europe in 30 games , while playing 28 mpg in 07/08. That stat is meaningless, because there is so much variation between College/Europe and the NBA.
Exactamundo. What the hell does a guard have to do with a conversation on comparing two bigs anyhow? Are we comparing bigs here, or next are we going to compare the PERS to a point guard in Latvia?
I didn't mean to deride the comparison between the two. Sorry if it came out that way. I'm just saying that trying to extrapolate too much information from that PER stat outside the NBA isn't very useful.
LaMarcus did improve from his rookie season to his sophmore season in PER. Then from his sohphmore campaign to his 3rd year he developed a more well rounded game and became a better defender and team player. The team won more games and his Win Shares went up. 4th season was flat. How is that FLAT for 4 straight years?
Difficulty is then having much bigger changes to the team, integrating a new PG, instead of just swapping Bosh for LMA, and adjusting the bench. Bosh max deal would start at 16,568,908 I believe(105% of this season). 80% of that is 13,255,126. Joel and Martell together is 12,205,300. So throw in a S&T of Patty Mills for 3 years, 3 million, only 1st year guaranteed, and you're there.
If you're going to look at the granularity differences to say that in his 3rd year, he "became a better defender and player", then you can't say that 4th season was flat. It went down, almost across the board. Now, (forget the trivial counting stats of 18pts, 8reb a year for 3 years now), if you think that maintaining a PER between 18.2 and 19.1, a TS% b/w 52.3% and 53.2%, a TRB% of between 12.5 and 13.9, a TO% of b/w 7.4 and 8.9, a D-Rating of 109,108,107,108, an O-rating the same as his rookie year, AST% of 8.8, 9.3 and 9.9 with BLock%s of 4.2, 2.8, 2.0, 1.3 (etc.) isn't flat, then we probably shouldn't be discussing this here. What stat are you looking at to say there's been improvement? Win Shares only?
