<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Baker has depression, and he drinks to try and wash it away. It's the quick fix that never works on the long run. Get a room, buy some whores that have had their tubes tied and take out you frustration that way.</div> Isn't that the Shawn Kemp guide to relieving stress? Oh yeah, he wanted girls that were fertile and added coke into the picture....he was much more advanced
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats pretty easy for you to say, I really don't think you have any idea what is going on with this man. Alcoholism is not something you turn on and off, it stay with you if not properly treated.</div> Well brah,I was a parole officer for almost 5 years and I've seen these cats up close and personal. Even had to attend AA meetings with a couple of 'em and study some things on alcoholism..It's hard but you as a person know what it takes. I'm sure he isn't stupid and knows what this is doing to his career and life. He has the means at his disposal to get the best treatment possible and he seemingly doesn't care. Just because someone is an alcoholic doesn't relieve them of their responsibilities..they know the consequences they just don't care. Like I said he knows he has a problem and he knows there is treatment available to him. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes he does have the means to get treated but you don't understand any kind of plight this man has been through or is going through to do this. It takes awhile for people to get rid of something like this, just think of it like smoking, some people can quit cold turkey but most need time to get off the addiction.</div> You're right. I have no clue what his life has been like or what kind of adversity he has gone thru but like I said it's no excuse for him to throw his career away when he has people in his face telling him whats going on and a doctor he has to report to. And you're wrong..it doesn't take awhile to get rid of it because it's something you live with for the rest of your life. Alcoholics are cowards in away because they try to escape and get away from the things the rest of us face head on. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I have been around this stuff and it is destructive in ones life. You can't just say for him to take it like a man and stop it. I'm pretty sure you have been strong enough not to encounter something like this because it seems that way by how you talk about it. But this is a serious life issue that has no easy solution.</div> It's very destructive and oft times fatal,however the time for coddlin' this cat is over. Instead of peeps saysin' poor guy look at this they should be kickin' him in the ass and getting very tough with him. There should be no three strikes. There should be a 'get it under control or get out' mentality after the first mistep IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post"> Instead of peeps saysin' poor guy look at this they should be kickin' him in the ass and getting very tough with him. There should be no three strikes. There should be a 'get it under control or get out' mentality after the first mistep IMO.</div> You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, as they say. Why would he respond to people who don't understand? He needs sympathy and someone to really take him under their wing and help him out. More than anything, I think he needs a break from basketball to get things together. I still feel bad for him. Alcoholism is so difficult to deal with, it isn't something where he can say, "I'll just be a man and handle this." Even if he can get sober, this is a demon that will haunt him for his whole life. How can you not feel for him, if not as a ball player, then as a man?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BigMemo:</div><div class="quote_post">You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, as they say. Why would he respond to people who don't understand? He needs sympathy and someone to really take him under their wing and help him out. More than anything, I think he needs a break from basketball to get things together. I still feel bad for him. Alcoholism is so difficult to deal with, it isn't something where he can say, "I'll just be a man and handle this." Even if he can get sober, this is a demon that will haunt him for his whole life. How can you not feel for him, if not as a ball player, then as a man?</div> Exactly my point. I am asking for compassion for this man. Some people are saying to him to get his ish straight but this man is going through some problems and he doesn't need people telling him, "Ah, its your own damn fault you like this" or "Be a man about and just kick the habit". Big Nasty- Being a P.O. might make someone desensitized to this kind of thing by seeing this day and day out, but thats no excuse for not feeling for the guy. Who are we to know if he hasn't already tried to help himself numerous times? Like you said, it sticks with you for life and he needs to win more battles before he gets his career back. Would you treat your own brother like that? Maybe you would but I would certainly not. I would stick by my bro and make sure he gets the help he needs. But I would make sure his ass is in rehab and stick by him and I agree that Vin needs someone there to push him everytime, because he can't do it alone. Not saying he's my brother but I honestly feel for this guy and I disagree with anyone who doesn't. He's goin through some major things in his life right now and he needs as much help and compassion as he can get. Thats all I'm asking for....
I never once said he didn't deserve compassion but the time for coddling is over. He has been,and you can tell by the results,treated with kid gloves so far. It's time to get in his face and be tough. Just because you are tough on someone doesn't mean you lack compassion,it just means the time for being nice is over.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BigMemo:</div><div class="quote_post"> Why would he respond to people who don't understand? He needs sympathy and someone to really take him under their wing and help him out. More than anything, I think he needs a break from basketball to get things together. </div> Well...I would think he would have his family to help him out and try to get him through his problem if anything. Yea I think he needs a break to, but when he comes back, he wont be wearing a Celtics jersey, we need that money from his contract for better things.
i feel bad for vin, i was looking forward to him being the comeback player of the year, but alcoholism i guess got the best of him. its too bad really
Dear Vin, Too bad for you, I thought you really wanted to change. Seeing you in that slim shape early in the season and seeing the NBA.com preseason and season recaps saying that you were busting your ass, trying hard just to guard and chase your man really put excitement in me and hopes in your old faithful fans, but Vin, in the end you let us down again. Look at the people around you, look closely, think you're the only one fighting addiction? Look at me, if you haven't heard (by the way I'm Fishball), now you heard, I don't know if alcohol addiction is worse than smoking addiction, but after I bought those new LeBrons I decided to quit smoking because I decided I wanna get more serious with the game. Honestly, I was just wearing this raggedy black Nike Flight pair that made me care less about the game and I smoked like 10 cigs a day. I'd say I was addicted. But my game kept improving each day, so thus I made my decision. I've been clean so far for the sole reason of basketball, so I'm saying here if there is a willingness there is a way out, Vin, you not an exception. If you are given a next chance on whatever team that bets its integrity and money and claims you off the waivers, don't blow it please. If you have a willingness, yet can't control that addiction, make sure you let it be known to... whoever, have someone sent from that organization to your house every night to chain you so you can't move and grab that bottle again. Do whatever that you think is right man, it's your life. But I suggest not to throw away that love of basketball remaining in you because if you do, you'll throw away your last hope, Vin. The hope that we still love you. Fishball.
