Based on first two preseason games, let's talk lineups.

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  1. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

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    don't get me wrong, I think Ryan is awesome and will be closer to Van Horn than Boki when all is said and done--and KVH was pretty darn good his first five years in the league. KVH did have that great jumper from the corner, though, that Ryan hasn't demonstrated. Can Ryan defend an SF? I guess it depends on matchups. Can Ryan also learn the duties of an SF simultaneously with learning the duties of a PF in this system? Would that overwhelm him? WHo knows?
     
  2. danxcr

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    i honestly feel ryan will be a lot better than van horn just for the simple fact that he can drive into the hoop... in van horn's career... how often or did he ever? drive into the lane and throw it down? ryan has the shot and the defense.... but he can put the ball on the floor and also gets a lot of boards (for everybody talking bout his upper body strenght ..... AS HIS WEAKNESSS)
     
  3. Boomdog

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    Thats a litte bit much. KVH was damn good in his years with the Nets, even his last season where he was bashed my kenyon he still averaged about 15 ppg and a good amount of boards (could be wrong) I can't see Ryan Anderson averaging any more then that. Not that he wont be a good player but saying he could be KVH is a far cry because for 2 seasons Keith looked like he was gonna be one of best players in the league.

    Now back to the topic, If you want to talk balance in a line-up with our bigs the most logical lineup would be

    Harris, Carter, Swat, Yi, Lopez, and yes i have faith that lopez will be the starter even though we know it will take frank half a season for this. I do have my concerns with Swat though, i just dont know if he'll be able to cover 3's or how much he really improved. Simmons i really dont know if he's recovered from 2 seasons of injuries. Anderson is too slow to cover 3's and while Yi is pretty damn fast for a 7 footer theres a difference between being fast running down the court and being Quick especially with first steps and i cant see him sticking with many 3's.

    However if it were up to me and we wanted to play that many rookies to start id have CDR at the 2 and have Vince play the 3.
     
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    dont get me wrong... KVH was a good player for the nets... but on defense he was a liability... and his boards werent really up there maybe because of kmart takin a lot of it... also kvh didnt put the ball on the floor to drive... KVH avg 15ppg because kidd got him so many open looks... he didnt create for himself... ryan anderson at least can drive into the lane... and i dont kno if its just me noticing this... but anderson plays a lot "tougher" than kvh did... lol (kvh with wiping his forehead) :)

    and about the startin lineup... i agree with u... swat can play the 3 on defense... let anderson and cdr come of the bench and let the offense run through those 2 :) with maybe najera out there on the 3 pt line :P
     
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    i think anderson is going to be good. Maybe KVH. I would love that.

    I am still for:

    Harris
    VC
    Yi
    Williams
    Lopez

    Bench
    Dooling
    CDR
    Boone
    Hayes
    Simmons(if he can get his head straight)
    Najera
    Anderson
    Hassel
    Gill or Hodges whoever survives
    Swift - Waive if no one wants him
    Ager - Waive if no one wants him
    KVH -Waive if no one wants contract
     
  6. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

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    don't forget that KVH was on the team before either KMart OR Kidd. By his second/third years in the league, he was averaging 20 points and 8.5 rebounds, although he had a pretty low shooting percentage (in his second year, he shot .428 from the field, including 30% on three-pointers, although he was an above-average free-throw shooter). He also played 35-37 minutes per game, which Ryan won't get. His fourth year was KMart's rookie year.
     
  7. fefe

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    I'm still hoping for a trade...

    we stil have 2or3 too many players.

    Also I'm losing my faith in Sean.
    I think he is already our no6 or no7 big man... (Yi, Brook, Najera, Boone, Anderson, Sean, Stro is my preference order right now, as for how much i want to see them on the court...) I think we should trade him while he still has the word "potential" on him. I think he still has a good trade value. We should do something now, before he loses it.


    could we get Nocioni for Hassell, Sean and Stro?

    if not, I'd even use KVH instead of Hassell, so chicago gets a huge cap releif too..

    That way i'd be totally ok with our players:
    Harris/Dooling/Gill
    VC/CDR/Hayes/Ager (cut)
    Nocioni/Simmons/Hassell
    Yi/Najera/Anderson
    Boone/Brook/
     
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    what does he mean by completely different?
    if he doesn't rest VC and Devin, he can tweak in 3 positions max...

    at SF we already saw Simmons and Hassell start... who's the next? CDR? Anderson? Yi or Sean?? Maybe VC, with dooling starting at SG?
    at PF it was Yi and Anderson, and
    at C, we saw Sean and Brook...
    So Boone probably starts this time. Will Stro be the other big? MAybe, since there are no more options...

    (Or maybe "totally different starting lineup" means only 1 or 2 tweaks for Frank? :) )
     
  9. J.S

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    Sean Williams is ok, he's cheap and will improve. His resigning will be cheap also I suspect. He's not a bad project to have. He just needs to play his game and be himself, and not try to play outside of his game. I feel that if we do not start him, he coud be a D-league candidate, not to insult him but, the big logjam here and his need to get in game experience is at odds.

    Anyway what's wrong with having this many bigs? At least a few can foul out before we get in trouble. In essence it gives us more fouls to give in the paint and that can't be overlooked.
     
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    Why would they do that deal????
     
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    Every NBA team needs 4 Tyrus Thomas's
     
  12. fefe

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    The Bulls need cut salary.

    KVH is an unguaranteed contract, which is better than an expirer. Swift is an expirer. Sean is a nice young player with potential, who is indeed similar to Tyrus, but he is far cheaper, so this move also allows them not to pick up their option on Tyrus next summer, so they get basically 11mill expiring plus 4 million to come off the books right now...

    Nocioni is a backup on the bulls with 4 years left, but is paid like a starter, and the bulls need to cut salary anyway.

    Why wouldn't they do it??
     
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