Bayless or Roy?

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  1. Da_O

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    In this scenario I think it's fairly obvious you keep both Bayless and Roy. Players like Roy don't come around very often, and in your scenario Bayless reaches his potential so it's a plus to have two players that are very very good.

    If Oden does become a "once in a generation" center, and Roy and him can't coexist you trade Roy. Great big men are harder to come by.
     
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    Roy has a quick first step that gets players off balance at first, once he uses that first step he can either pull back and use his crossover to drive to the hoop with either hand and finish or pull up for the floater. He's deceptively quick. I think the reason he's so effective is because he's unpredictable.
     
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    Dont ignore me KS....I make a valid point to Anthony Morrow being the best of all time!!!!
     
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    ...ambidextrous, and capable of capitalizing on whatever the D is allowing. His athleticism is top shelf and (at least offensively) his skillset is multifaceted. Dude can literally do it all and has the knack of only expending as much energy as is needed. He makes the game look easy

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    ...ambidextrous, and capable of capitalizing on whatever the D is allowing. His athleticism is top shelf and his offensive skillset is multifaceted. Dude can literally do it all and has the knack of only expending as much energy as is needed. He makes the game look easy

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    Yeah, I had to wait for the answer as I thought he was serious for a minute there too.
     
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    wow, this thread should be pinned at the top of the forum forever.
     
  8. 1 Eye Jack

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    King I think you are getting a little to excited over a couple of good games. I hate to admit it but Laker fan has a good point look at all the guys who have had great games, it doesn't automatically put them into the hall of fame. You can't judge a guy by a couple of games and to already compare him to Roy is an insult to Roy. Bayless doesn't see the double and triple teams Roy sees every night while putting up his 11 straight games of 23 points or more. Bayless has a long ways to go to be mentioned in the same breath as Roy.
     
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    This is true 1 Eye Jack, but if Oden and Roy gets doubled (assuming Bayless is a starter next year and Oden is ready to go), I think they will put more focus on them until he proves to be a consistent threat as well, which I think he can. Then if Bayless gets to that status, what do you do with Roy? Aldridge? Webster/Batum who could get wide open a lot? Oden?

    Edit: I guess my point is, it will be easier for Bayless to score and get better especially if that jumpshot is what we have been seeing latley.
     
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    I was asking you all what you thought. That's all. Who do you think is better? That was the question. An original post doesn't have to state an opinion. It can be a question to start a discussion. That's all I did.
     
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    You made no such point with that boxscore. And I never said Bayless was the best of all time.
     
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    Well he is obviously better than Roy at the least!!!
     
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    Roy is most obviously better, so why even start the thread. You then go on to defend Bayless, some with saying he had a better first start than Roy and that his percentages were a little bit higher. I could see how people could be confused.
     
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    Explain. Is it just because Roy has played more games and is more experienced? But what about how Bayless will be if he gets the same amount of games and the same amount of experience? I suppose I'm talking about ceilings in this case.

    Just curious....
     
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    I think most would agree that Roy is currently higher than Bayless' ceiling. That's no knock on Bayless either...
     
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    Of course, Roy's ceiling raised itself every season, as people said "Okay, now Roy has hit his ceiling." We may have something similar with Bayless.

    Here's the comparison of Roy's rookie season to Bayless this year:
    http://www.basketball-reference.com...sum=0&p1=bayleje01&y1=2010&p2=roybr01&y2=2007

    The two players are shocking when looking at the advanced stats. Yes, "small sample size" is a concern, but I can see where Eric is getting his odd hunch about Bayless from.

    What's funny to me is that I've thought for a while that the best player to compliment Brandon Roy in the back court is Brandon Roy. That is, if he were twins, we'd be in a perfect situation. Bayless is starting to look like Roy Lite; he can run all of Roy's plays, and nearly as effectively. He's shorter, but is more tenacious.

    He could be as talented as Roy, but simply two years behind Roy in his growth curve. And I think Bayless knows it. Certainly he doesn't lack for confidence in his game. Roy was that way too. So much about them is similar at this point; it's exciting!
     
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    Assuming health, I think a lineup at the 1,2, and 3 of Bayless-Roy-Batum has enough of pretty much everything we need...ball handling, slashing, shooting, defense, distribution...scary to think about. Get healthy boys!
     

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