Bayless or Roy?

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Compare Roy's first 77 games to Jerryd's ...
     
  2. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    One or the other is going to need to become the better outside shooter, and one or the other is going to need to differentiate their assist percentage, otherwise it's more like two waveforms cancelling each other out versus amplifying them.

    Biggest signs of encouragement that they aren't identical players:
    -Bayless is more of an attacker in transition, and has a real defensive intensity to him that is finally starting to translate into production at that end of the court ... his 43% shooting clip from distance in a small sample doesn't hurt either.
    -Roy is the master of the midrange game and when he does it, is very very good at catching and shooting off of screens.

    It's all going to boil down to this, can they play off of each other rather than have to take turns dominating the ball (sort of like Dre' and Brandon have done this year). If Bayless can keep hitting those long range jumpers and three pointers off the catch and pick his spots when to take the ball and go into attack mode or take it and set the offense, then a Roy-Bayless duo in the backcourt has real potential, but it's going to take a lot of adjustment between the two -- given their respective situations on this team (role, contract, etc.), Bayless is probably going to have to do most of the adjusting.

    One thing I've wondered is if Bayless won't eventually assume a Ginobli type role; that is: a player who still logs 30 or so minutes per game, but comes off the bench and handles the ball a lot when the starting play maker is out of the game. and the "starting" point guard won't be somebody who plays a "glue guy's" game, who plays around 20 minutes per game and plays off of Brandon for the most part as an outlet shooter and a defensive specialist.
     
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  3. EGame

    EGame "You're the only one of these fools I trust"

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    Yes they can. Phoenix. Roy mainly had the ball, but Bayless still scored a lot than what Blake could ever imagine. The end. :)
     
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    No!!!!! Whatever you do dont take a sample size larger than one game!!! :crazy:

    Kingspeed....when are you gonna think this joke of overreacting to everything is gonna be done....Its annoying and doesnt add anything to the board except to people talking shit about you...since you are clueless

    Merry Xmas motherfucker
     
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    I agree with this. Bayless NEEDS to stay a big part of this team.

    I usually don't agree with most of what Eric says, and he isn't saying anything, he just asked, but I think this is a valid argument!!! Bayless, at his age, has all the potential in the world to be as good if not better than Roy, once he hits that age. Remember guys, Roy is like 5 years older than Bayless. And when Bayless replaced Roy for a night, and played the "Roy Role" he didn't miss a beat.

    This is a very valid argument, IMO.

    Nice sarcasm, but there are some valid points here, even though you weren't trying to.

    I really don't think it is unbelievable.

    I really don't think Eric asked as dumb a question as he is getting slammed for. I think this is a valid debate. But you have to factor in age and potential. If not, then there is no discussion. Roy is better, right now.
     
  6. EGame

    EGame "You're the only one of these fools I trust"

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    I think it would look a little better if he asked who will be better in their prime? A case can be made for both esepcially if Bayless (which I hope never ever happens, but there is still a shot if Nate jerks him around and not play him much once Roy and Rudy return) leaves town and gets a chance to prove else where. I want him to be a part of our future, but that is up to Nate (or Pritchard perhaps can step in and trade someone like Rudy/Blake to force the issue).
     
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    Just keep in mind guys, Roy is 4+ years older then Bayless. AND Roy has basically started since he was in the league. Give Bayless that same rope, he would be just as good.
     
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    Not fair. Bayless was buried on the bench, only getting spot minutes. Not his fault AT ALL. Roy was handed the starting spot. You have to compare when they started and were given the green light. The San Antonio game was the first time Bayless was ever given that.
     
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    Exactly. Bayless is much younger and already playing at Roy's level when given the starting spot.
     
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    Oh kingspeed, you silly goose.
     
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    Not fair? Really? You mean sorta like asking the question of whether or not a single game trumps a rookie of the year award, two all-star appearances, an all-nba second team award, and having to carry the weight of a franchise on your shoulders with all of the defensive attention focused on shutting you down.

    Kudos to Bayless for stepping up and producing when his number was called, but consistency is king in the NBA -- ANYBODY can have a great game once in awhile, and even though Bayless has had a couple he's got a loooong way to go.

    So yeah, talk to me about "fair" again.
     
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    Explain? Roy has proven in every facet of the game that he's better than Bayless so far. He is a top 15 player in the NBA today easily. I don't deal with hypothetical scenarios dealing if Player A gets certain amount of playing time that he will dominate more so than Player B.

    If Bayless has a higher ceiling than Roy then I hope to god for this team that he achieves it.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Hehe.

    He's now seen what happens when teams with a lot of length and a shot blocker can do to a young penetrating guard. Terrible night shooting, but I like how he got people involved after starting the night 0-6 and managed to go 2-4 down the stretch.
     
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    Man...remember those 2+ games where it was Bayless > Roy?!?

    Its now back to Roy > Bayless because of this game

    ...thats nice
     
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    Good think Brandon saved his job with an out-of-the-blue performance tonight. He better watch his back, though.
     
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    But but Brandon started and Bayless didn't. That's not FAIR!
     
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    Still a dumb question...
     
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    Bayless' great games are what Roy puts up every night when healthy.

    Come on, man!
     

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