Politics Ben Carson: pyramids were grain storages for Joseph

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Yep. This thread is about violent past or something.

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    ok, if you want to make it about the pyramids, then he just reiterated his crazy-ass belief yesterday, so that makes it current news, not about something he said years ago.

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    Don't worry... Those ads will come out after election. Don't give ammo to Bernie. He's a maniac!
     
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    He did double down on that belief yesterday
     
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    Why was he asked about it yesterday?
     
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    Why did he answer?

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    Dude... Jake Tapper interviewed KIDS mentioned in Obama's memoir. Stop defending that IDIOT Carson. Somebody needs to slap his ass and get him off the stage.
     
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    Sure he smart when it comes to being a neurosurgeon. But when you say that slavery was good for black people that's incredibly fucking stupid. He's a moron and I'll say it every day of the week because it's true. The bottom line is he won't even sniff the Oval Office. He should just end his campaign now...
     
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    His interview that he just did on CNN was slap him in the face worthy.
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    I actually agree with this 100%.
     
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    Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship
    Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

    The academy has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

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    West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

    “In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General,” said Theresa Brinkerhoff,a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such,” she said.

    When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.

    “Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit,” campaign manager Barry Bennett wrote in an email to POLITICO. “In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.”

    “He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors,” Bennett went on. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

    This admission comes as serious questions about other points of fact in Carson’s personal narrative are questioned, including the seminal episode in which he claimed to have attempted to stab a close friend. Similarly, details have emerged that cast doubt on the nature of Carson’s encounter with one of the most prominent military men of that era.

    The West Point spokeswoman said it is certainly possible Carson talked with Westmoreland, and perhaps the general even encouraged him to apply to West Point. However, she said the general would have explained the benefits of a West Point education without guaranteeing him entry.

    An application to West Point begins with a nomination by a member of Congress or another prominent government or military official. After that, a rigorous vetting process begins. If offered admission, all costs are covered; indeed there are no “full scholarships,” per se.

    In his popular book “Gifted Hands,” Carson says he excelled in his ROTC program at Detroit’s Southwestern High School, earning the respect of his superiors – just a couple years after anger problems led him to try to murder a friend. He attained the rank of second lieutenant by his senior year of high school and became the student leader of the city’s ROTC programs.

    In May of his senior year, he was chosen to march in the city’s Memorial Day parade.

    “I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, we had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present,” he wrote. “More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt” – his high school ROTC director – “introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.”

    But, according to records of Westmoreland’s schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general’s records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m.

    There are, however, several reports of an event similar to the one Carson described in February of that year. Then, Westmoreland was the featured guest at a 1,500-person banquet to celebrate Medal of Honor winner Dwight Johnson. The event drew prominent guests, including the governor at the time, the mayor of Detroit, the president of Ford Motor Company and nine previous Medal of Honor recipients, according to an Associated Press account of the event.

    Carson, a leader of the city’s ROTC program at the time, may have been among the invited guests at the $10-a-plate event.

    Carson’s later retelling of the events in this period of his life downplays his meeting with Westmoreland and that event’s link to a West Point acceptance. In his January 2015 book “You Have a Brain” – a book geared toward teenagers – Carson again recalls his rapid rise through his high school’s ROTC program to become the top student officer in the city.

    “That position allowed me the chance to meet four-star general William Westmoreland, who had commanded all American forces in Vietnam before being promoted to Army Chief of Staff at the Pentagon in Washington, D.C.,” he wrote. “I also represented the Junior ROTC at a dinner for Congressional Medal of Honor winners, marched at the front of Detroit’s Memorial Day parade as head of an ROTC contingent, and was offered a full scholarship to West Point.”

    Carson has said he turned down the supposed offer of admission because he knew he wanted to be a doctor and attending West Point would have required four years of military service after graduation.

    Cecil Murphey, who ghost-wrote “Gifted Hands,” told POLITICO that his memory of Carson’s exchange with Westmoreland was hazy.

    “My gut response is that it was not a private meeting but there were others there,” he said in an email. “The general took a liking to Ben and opened doors.”

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  12. barfo

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    Liar liar, pants on fire.

    Denny, what's your take? "Admitted to West Point" probably means something different to Carson?

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    And offered a full scholarship to a school that is free to go to.
     
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    Looks like the wheels are falling off now...

    Ben Carson’s campaign faces turmoil amid staff exits and super PAC rivalry
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    The presidential candidacy of Ben Carson, a tea party star who has catapulted into the top tier of Republican contenders, has been rocked by turmoil with the departures of four senior campaign officials and widespread disarray among his allied super PACs.

    In interviews Friday, Carson’s associates described a political network in tumult, saying the retired neurosurgeon’s campaign chairman, national finance chairman, deputy campaign manager and general counsel have resigned since Carson formally launched his bid last month in Detroit. They have not been replaced, campaign aides said.

    The moves gutted the core of Carson’s apparatus and left the 63-year-old first-time candidate with only a handful of experienced advisers at his side as he navigates the fluid, crowded and high-stakes contest for the Republican nomination.

    Carson is a hot commodity on the right-wing speaking circuit and has fast become a leading candidate, winning straw votes at conservative gatherings and rising in public polls.

    But his campaign has been marked by signs of dysfunction and amateurism, alarming supporters who privately worry that Carson’s sprawling circle of boosters is fumbling his opportunity. And, they argue, the candidate has been nonchalant about the unrest.

    Republican neurosurgeon Ben Carson hosted a choir singing an Eminem cover and vowed not to be "politically correct" at the event announcing his run for president in 2016. Here are those key moments and more. (AP)

    “Every campaign goes through growing pains as it puts together a leadership team that has to work together and live together through the trying times of a presidential election,” said Larry Levy, a lawyer who has worked with Carson.

    Two independent super PACs designed to help Carson are instead competing directly with Carson’s campaign for donations and volunteers, while campaign chairman Terry Giles resigned last month with the intention of forming a third super PAC.

    Giles said he intends to try to persuade the other two super PACs, called Run Ben Run and One Vote, to cease operations so that all outside efforts can be coordinated through the new group. But with Carson’s brand a galvanizing force on the right, there are potentially millions of dollars to be raised off his name, and the other super PACs are said to be reluctant to shut down.

    “They are going after the same small donors, and we’ve simply got to figure this out, or else we are going up against each other the whole time,” Giles said. “I’m planning to sit down with them and explain that.”

    Before the exodus, Carson’s campaign was mostly controlled by Giles and conservative commentator Armstrong Williams, who for decades has been Carson’s business manager and gatekeeper. Giles’s exit to the super PAC side, where he will be prohibited from directly coordinating with Carson or his campaign, leaves Williams as the candidate’s chief confidant.

    “Things happen, man,” Williams said of the changes. “That’s the way life works. You start out with one idea, hoping it all works out, and then you get a better understanding of what needs to happen. Remember, we’re not necessarily a group of political people.”

    The overlapping super PACs have confused Carson backers about where to give money. Doug Watts, a Carson campaign spokesman, described Run Ben Run as a rogue outfit: “We spend a great deal of time explaining to our supporters, ‘They’re them; we’re us.’ ”

    [​IMG]Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson greets people during a campaign stop at a Mount Pleasant, S.C., farmers market on May 26, 2015. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
    Watts insisted that “there’s no dissatisfaction” with Run Ben Run’s activities, and he credited the group with helping Carson win a Republican straw poll last month in Oklahoma City after Carson spoke to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

    “We had Dr. Carson and two staff people,” Watts said. “We did not spend a dime on the straw poll. But Run Ben Run, unbeknownst to us, made organizational activity there.”

    Still, Watts said that the “unofficially sanctioned” super PAC is One Vote and that Carson invites supporters to “make their excess contributions” to that group.

    Initially, Giles planned on joining One Vote, but Watts said he “abandoned that plan prior to his resignation and talked about the anticipation of a new organization.”

    Watts said that Carson gave Giles his blessing to leave the campaign, noting that Giles sat in the front row at Carson’s May 4 announcement event in Detroit and that the candidate publicly acknowledged Giles’s service as chairman.

    Federal election laws require a 120-day cooling off period between someone’s departure from an official campaign and involvement in any super PAC activities.

    Leaving with Giles last month were deputy campaign manager Stephen Rubino, a longtime Giles associate, as well as national finance chairman Jeff Reeter and general counsel Kathy Freberg.

    Rubino, a part-time lawyer and farmer, longed to return to his estate, Watts said. “He said to me many times personally, ‘I’m not sure I’m cut out for this in Washington, D.C.’ ” As for Freberg, Watts said she grew tired of the political game: “She’s now in Africa on a safari.”

    Giles said that Carson believes a lightly staffed campaign would suffice through this summer and fall. “The Carson campaign, that’s now mostly about ballot access, communications, social media, and getting Dr. Carson around the country,” he said. “That’s about it. It’s all part of the plan.”

    But Kellyanne Conway, a GOP pollster who is friendly with Carson’s inner circle, said Carson would need “a strong, in-house campaign team. You can’t off-load everything to a super PAC or onto the shoulders of grass-roots supporters and live off the land. Those are the fundamentals.”

    Giles and Rubino have not been replaced, Watts said, because “it seemed superfluous.” Asked whether there were other lawyers advising the Carson operation in Freberg’s absence, he said: “Give me a break. Yeah, there are campaign attorneys coming out of my ears.”

    Barry Bennett, a former strategist for Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), will continue to serve as Carson’s campaign manager, largely taking up the duties once delegated to Giles and Rubino. Ed Brookover, a veteran GOP hand, runs the policy shop.

    Williams portrayed Carson as a candidate who is still learning the nuances of politics. He said Carson is studying up on issues and is uninterested in campaign mechanics.

    On the road, Carson receives hearty receptions, but his acquaintances said he is most content after public events to retreat to a pool table, where he touts the hand-eye coordination that made him a renowned surgeon. He also likes to do brain teasers or play golf.

    Carson occasionally drops by his Alexandria campaign headquarters, but his main interaction with staffers is once a week, at 10 a.m. on Sundays, when he participates in a conference call to go over his schedule for the coming week.

    “Dr. Carson doesn’t get involved in the minutiae,” Williams said. “You have to understand his personality. He’s informed, but this whole process is new to him, and he’s relying on the judgment of others.”
     
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    Links to these articles sure would be nice.
     
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    Uh, Mags, that article is from June.

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    Never mind, found the article. It's from June 5th. Did you even read it?
     
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    Hey, wheels are hard to replace.
     
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    Considering Carson denies biology, denies astronomy, denies geology, denies climatology, denies history, denies psychology, is it any surprise he also denies archaeology?

    True, the position is totally illogical - grain should not be hermetically sealed, since presumably people would need to get to it, while corpses would indeed be sealed - but he also denies logic.

    I wonder if Carson thinks that the slaves who built the pyramids worked hard so their children could have a better life, like he said about slaves in the US South? Did they have strong family values, unlike modern day Hebrews (who tend to trend liberal, pro-women's rights, pro-gay, anti-gun), as he also said about slaves in the US South?
     
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