Trade Ben Simmons poll

Dray used to be clutch but has soured with age.

 

Imagine the Lakers trade Westbrook for Simmons lol

 

Green's 3 point percentage over the last 6 seasons:

2015-16 .388
2016-17 .308
2017-18 .301
2018-19 .285
2019-20 .279
2020-21 .270

there seems to be a trend

 

ok someone with some common sense, I can take that take. The fact remains Draymond has had many examples of hitting a big 3 and keeping the defense honest.

Can someone go and post me times Simmons has hit a big 3? I'll wait, its not even that he hasnt hit a big 3, I fault him for being scared to not even wanting to take it man, thats a huge red flag and mental block. I dont think he can get over that and suddenly become someone that can keep the defense honest if he is scared to even shoot it and fail.

Maybe some of you guys think he can work on that, but man, a NBA player being scared to shoot a 3 in this day and age NBA, thats a big problem to me and that wart is too bad to overcome even though he has great D and can help us greatly on that end.

 

1. that was hardly 1 game. maybe click on it. I'm not the one being silly in this strawman that you made up. If you really think that teams don't give Draymond that kinda space nightly, then you are just being intentionally ignorant.
2. are you really that obtuse to think the reason they won titles in GS was solely because draymond shot 31% from 3s on his 3 attempts per game? had nothing to do with Steph/Klay/KD of course. Put those guys around Ben and you don't think they'd win 3 titles?
3. maybe you need to come up for air a bit.


4. maybe you just ignore me and don't see some of the videos that i've posted in this thread on how effective he can be even without shooting threes. his problem (IMO) is not that he doesn't shoot threes-- it's more that he doesn't shoot outside of the paint. I believe that can change with a more nurturing environment and relieved pressure from better spacing. A floater/midrange jumper from ~10' would do wonders for his effectiveness.

here are some videos for you. before you continue your nonsense strawmen arguments about draymond/batum/bullshit, i suggest you sit through at least one of them.

 

I still don't see why you bring this sort of thing into training camp and definitely not into the regular season. You get the best deal you can for Simmons and move on.

 

Your contention that Simmons is behaving the way he is solely due to Rivers' comment has been pretty thoroughly debunked in this thread. It's a combination of Rivers misuse, Rivers comment, Embiid's horrid attitude in general, Embiid throwing him under the bus, the Sixers media relentlessly trashing him, and the ultra toxic Sixers fanbase just to recap. So therefore the coach doesn't matter other than the fact that most coaches - and I am willing to bet Billups in particular - would be superior. I have some concerns about his mentality, but that's only in a vacuum. Under Billups coaching and more importantly, next to Dame, I have close to none.

 

I actually wholeheartedly agree good sir! Honesty is even rarer than legit contacts.

 

Because he played with the greatest shooter and arguably the greatest PG of all time, an elite 2-way player in Klay, and had a ring with KD to boot? Come on! Also, anyone taking Draymond over Simmons given their respective ages and trajectories is simply not aware of the fact of life that is aging.

 

"If you really think that teams don't give Draymond that kinda space nightly" ofcourse they do, and you are real ignorant to think he hasn't had many moments of him hitting a 3 or a big timely 3 to keep the defense honest.

and you are really ignorant to think teams aren't and wont continue to give that type of space to Simmons, who won't even attempt to shoot it.

There is many more examples of Draymond hitting a big 3, I'm not going to waste time posting those videos on here to make my point. As one poster with common sense said, Draymond has been clutch before even if you want to post your little video trying to make your point. There is no video of Simmons doing that because his ass is scared to even shoot it.

 

Jesus christ please god NO! Surely they can't do that trade as Westbroke was just traded right, RIGHT?!?!?!?!

 

nah, it's cuz Draymond hit 8 threes in that one game against us in 2016 in Round 1. Or maybe it's cuz he hit 6 threes in Game 7 of the Finals that same year while wide open. Oh wait... they lost that season to Cleveland. They've also lost half the playoff games where he has hit at least 5 threes.

 

Did I ever say I would take Draymond over him, we are compared their games, and guys wanting Simmons to be our Draymond in a sense, I say Draymond actually brings more to the table right now than Simmons and thats a fact.

Ofcourse Draymond is declining a little and Simmons is still young with upside, you guys are just fixated on the fact that Simmons has huge upside, to that I say he has actually regressed in his 4 years in the NBA and the stats show that too.

 

ok, now post Simmons stats in his 4 years, are you seeing improve or some decline in those stats too?

 

"lol"

 

did somebody say "clutch"? ok then, clutch time stats from last season:

first, for Draymond:



For Simmons:



http://www.82games.com/2021/20GSW16.HTM

http://www.82games.com/2021/20PHI4.HTM

* Simmons +50 net points; Green -36 net points

* Simmons 18.2 pts/48 on 8.7 FGA and 67% shooting; Green 12.9 pts/48 on 12.3 FGA and 44% shooting

* Simmons 5.3 more points than Green on 4.2 fewer shots

* Simmons 66.7 winning %; Green 37% winning %

 

for the most part, I'm seeing stability

 

it's really not even close. I don't really even know why this argument keeps getting brought up. Simmons is just on a completely different tier of player and has skills that are quite different. Not every play-making forward is Draymond. And quite a few of Green's stats can be skewed because of the heavily optimized system he plays in. The situation has been the contrary for Simmons where we have all noted how frequently he's been misused.

 

Never trust a leaf you can't smoke!

 

I think the Chargers would tend to agree with you.