Trade Ben Simmons poll

That could also give Portland enough time to evaluate the progress of Nas. If he's making a jump, we could justify including RoCo or Nance (I think he's eligible to be traded at end of October).

 

I seriously doubt that Morey will take any CJ-based trade for reasons given earlier. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I would be amazed. I say the Timberwolves work something out in the end (when Morey is pressured by higher ups to shit or get off the pot).

 

True. But time might not be as much an ally as he thinks.

 

And i hope to win the lottery. About the same odds.

 

And Morey-on does look constipated.

 

Laker Wes doesn't do his homework.

 

here's a summary and my read on this:

- Morey has been trying to trade Ben from the moment he got to Philly last year.
- Rivers got really frustrated with Simmons in the playoffs and threw him under the bus. Some of the blame was warranted. Some of it was completely unnecessary. Rivers has done this before, most recently with Paul George. He's like the worst form of Phil Jackson in playing games through the media. Completely two-faced, and Ben saw right through it.
- Simmons and Paul asked out in July after realizing this isn't going to work out.
- Word of their trade request got out and started reducing his trade value.
- Daryl Morey has historically been all about extracting value out of his players in trades. He sees them ONLY as assets and not people. He also wants to acquire stars, not trade them away for non-stars.
- Rich Paul continues to go on the media tour tanking Ben's value further.
- Morey and Doc have no choice but to do an about face to try to recoup the value.
- 3 months pass since the initial trade request and they're at a stalemate and every practice/game that Ben misses, he starts to look worse in the media.

I can't see any scenario where Simmons truly restores his trade value even if he comes back and plays. That ship has long passed and the longer Morey holds on (for what.... is unclear now that Dame is completely bought in yet again), the worse this looks for both sides.

This is also Rich Paul's M.O. He did the same with Anthony Davis in New Orleans where he started leaking stuff to the media to try to force their hand. I don't particularly care for it here because Ben is technically still under contract for four more years. Yet, if they do go through the proper channels and request a trade privately like they did in Philly for justifiable reasons, what recourse does the team have to oblige?

I think it's only going to get uglier.

 

More cringeworthy nonsense from Philly.

 

There's a huge problem from Morey's side and it's that they don't have a top shelf facilitator to initiate their offense without Ben or trading Ben for someone that can. So if they want to lose games with Seth bringing the ball up and initiating the offense or with Shake doing the same thing then they can try and call Ben's bluff but it's going to go badly for them. This is a team that will want the number one seed in the East again and every regular season win they can get. Every loss (if it comes to that) will give opposing GMs more and more leverage over Morey.

It just came out that the Cavs are making headway on an extension with Sexton and see him there long term. Unless DLo is coming over in a Minny deal that deal doesn't make the Sixers better and DLo is a worse fit than CJ. They really have limited options and the way the Sixers have handled this has been a complete clusterfuck.

 

I think you may be right.

 

they appear to be really high on Maxey

 

If I’m a star there’s no way I’m wanting to go to Philly after this mess. No way in hell.

 

that's the picture Rich Paul will try to portray, but I don't really see the merit. Ben does seem quite thin skinned. Embiid was commenting yesterday on how he wouldn't get offended if he were offered in trades for other stars. I think that was direct shot at Ben for getting all in his feelings about being put in trade offers. And that's justified.

The criticism and commentary among Philly fans/local media is nasty, but that comes with the territory. How much crap has CJ gotten here the past five years? Doesn't affect his mindset one bit.

 

The combination of Embiid and Rivers throwing him under the bus after the playoffs and the team mishandling the whole situation and then refusing to trade him after the whole thing is just a bad look for that organization. I wouldn’t want to go there.

Also I don’t know many people who hate CJ. They might think he’s a bad fit and they might want to trade him but I don’t know anyone who hates him or burned his jersey. And I’d say he shit the bed just as bad as Simmons in the playoffs.

 

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/9/28/22698824/ben-simmons-trade-philadelphia-76ers


Offers for Simmons have thus far included draft picks or young players, not anything a contender like Philadelphia would want. And since nearly half the league is ineligible to be dealt until December 15, teams that might be willing to offer a veteran can’t do that yet. One league source framed it like this: Reasonable offers have been made, but acceptable offers likely won’t come until December or January because players acquired this offseason will become available for trades and more teams will know how they stack up.

It has been widely reported that the Kings, Raptors, Timberwolves, and Warriors have interest in Simmons. Bleacher Report’s Jake Fischer also reported that the Spurs have made inquiries. More teams will inevitably make serious efforts to acquire Simmons if they underwhelm to begin the season. Of the known teams with interest, Sacramento could theoretically provide Simmons with the offensive environment he seeks, with a group of dynamic guards and a fast-paced system. Minnesota could flank Simmons with an All-Star big man, though unlike Embiid, Karl-Anthony Towns feasts from the perimeter as an elite shooter. But to make a significant offer for Simmons, any team will need to have the right trade pieces and believe in his ability to thrive in a more featured role, all potentially without seeing him play another game.

For now, Philadelphia’s best bet is to wait. The Sixers can bide their time, to see whether Damian Lillard or Bradley Beal demands a trade. Waiting may ultimately get Simmons what he wants, too: The Trail Blazers or Wizards could rebuild their rosters around Simmons. League sources say the Rockets planned on building their system around Simmons before eventually taking Brooklyn’s offer for Harden. Perhaps another team in a retooling phase will look to feature Simmons to find out whether he indeed does have the untapped potential he and those around him think he does.

 

Rivers was the reason they are in this boat and he's not being truthful about how he's answered the question.

 

It’s so weird to me that we aren’t in the teams mentioned.

 

They mentioned us.

As a team Philly is waiting on, to get Dame.

 

Just make a move already….

 

Reading that KOC article about how Ben wants to be more of a focus on offense. On initial look, it seems ridiculous. Why would a guy with his lack of offensive skill deserve more touches?

But then you look at usage rates, he's not wrong. He's a PG who averages 8 assists per game with only 20% usage through his career! That's crazy. CJ is at 27% and only puts up 4 assists a game. Trying to find any other primary ball handlers with lower usage than him.. and i can't find any.

On the Sixers, this was their breakdown of usage last year:

Embiid - 35
Milton - 25
Harris - 24
Maxey - 23
Korkmaz - 20.5
Simmons - 20.2

That is insane!