Trade Ben Simmons poll

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Rastapopoulos, Jun 21, 2021.

?

What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

  1. CJ + RoCo for Simmons and scrubs

    9.7%
  2. CJ for Simmons

    62.1%
  3. It depends on our new coach

    3.4%
  4. I'm not trading for that bum!

    24.8%
  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    34,275
    Likes Received:
    43,615
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I do as well. Guess I really have no idea which Morey would prefer. If they could get Philly to bite on Fox/Bagley, I think it would benefit both teams. Sac could put Simmons at the 4 and go with a Mitchell/Halliburton/Hield guard rotation, and that could develop into a quality group.
     
  2. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    40,825
    Likes Received:
    25,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballin'
    As somebody pointed out: the last time Sacramento was relevant was when they traded for a 25-year-old disgruntled former #1 pick. They played him at the 4, too.
     
  3. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    24,051
    Likes Received:
    30,033
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    Oregon City, OR
    I’d go for the beret instead of the Stetson.
     
  4. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    40,825
    Likes Received:
    25,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballin'
    I'm sure Sacramento would be happy with this, and who knows, it may be the best offer Philly gets. Mitchell could be really good.

    upload_2021-9-1_11-4-2.png
     
  5. Idog1976

    Idog1976 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    6,709
    Likes Received:
    3,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    I look to the stars.
    Location:
    P-Town baby!

    What you do is have Simmons push the break every time after a rebound. If the defense sets he gives the ball to Dame and the two of them do a pick and roll with shooters moving on the perimeter. With three shooters around them they would be borderline unstoppable. A creative coach can absolutely get those two to produce gold.
     
    TBpup, Blazer509 and BBert like this.
  6. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    40,825
    Likes Received:
    25,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballin'
    [​IMG]
     
    PtldPlatypus and e_blazer like this.
  7. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    40,825
    Likes Received:
    25,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballin'
    OK, but where's Nurk in all this?
     
  8. UKRAINEFAN

    UKRAINEFAN Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2008
    Messages:
    14,684
    Likes Received:
    11,871
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    un-retired
    Location:
    Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Ukraine
    I think Minnesota, because I think they will be willing to give up D'Angelo Russell for him. To me, Wolves never seemed to be better when he was on the court
     
  9. Idog1976

    Idog1976 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    6,709
    Likes Received:
    3,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    I look to the stars.
    Location:
    P-Town baby!
    Traded for Marcus Smart, or a 3pt shooting 4/5.
     
    Natebishop3 likes this.
  10. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,527
    Likes Received:
    16,553
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But the question is, is Dame/Simmons (and team) more formidable than Dame/CJ (and team)?
     
  11. Idog1976

    Idog1976 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    6,709
    Likes Received:
    3,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    I look to the stars.
    Location:
    P-Town baby!
    Simmons and Dame would be absolute mandess in the pick and roll. Also Simmons slashing to the hoop at 6'11" is something most can barely conceive of in terms of how deadly it would be and borderline unprecedented during the Dame years. Give Simmons man a screen have him slash hard and shooters rotate, if someone collapses to stop Simmons he's an elite passer. There is a TON that can be done with Simmons he just needs 3-4 shooters around him at all times. He never really had that in Philly.
     
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2021
  12. Idog1976

    Idog1976 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    6,709
    Likes Received:
    3,915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    I look to the stars.
    Location:
    P-Town baby!
    Uh yes! Sure Simmons would be a downgrade on offense, but he'd raise the floor and ceiling of our defense to truly elite territory, especially if we are able to keep Covington and Nance. Simmons isn't a blank on offense, but CJ is an absolute sieve on defense. That's a huge difference right there. We are going from CJ's elite offense to Ben's quite strong offense (if used correctly) and CJ's no defense to Ben's 2nd best in the league defense. MASSIVE upgrade.
     
  13. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    40,825
    Likes Received:
    25,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballin'
    So we have to remake the entire team to cater to a guy who disappears in the fourth quarter of playoff games?
     
    UKRAINEFAN likes this.
  14. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2013
    Messages:
    50,053
    Likes Received:
    35,327
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No to Simmons. Today, tomorrow, forever.
     
  15. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,527
    Likes Received:
    16,553
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Agreed. And I think some of Simmons problems on offense go away if he's put in a more supportive environment with Dame to help steady things.

    I'd be willing to bet he respects Dame and Dame's style more than what he's been dealing with in Philly.
     
    TBpup, Haakzilla and Idog1976 like this.
  16. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    92,741
    Likes Received:
    55,376
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    You’re leaving out a very important part of moving CJ. With CJ gone, Norm can move into his natural shooting guard position.
     
    TBpup, GoBlazersGo, Haakzilla and 4 others like this.
  17. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    23,701
    Likes Received:
    36,254
    Trophy Points:
    113
    upload_2021-9-1_8-32-52.png
     
  18. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    92,741
    Likes Received:
    55,376
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    That’s why I don’t think Morey would want him.
     
    Pinwheel1 and Idog1976 like this.
  19. UKRAINEFAN

    UKRAINEFAN Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2008
    Messages:
    14,684
    Likes Received:
    11,871
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    un-retired
    Location:
    Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Ukraine
    He may not want him, but it might be the best he can get.
     
  20. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    23,701
    Likes Received:
    36,254
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think the Blazers would be better after a CJ for Simmons trade, even with a couple of firsts added. But it isn't the same as a CJ for PG13 trade or a CJ for Butler trade. Those trades would have much narrower downsides. Simmons has a big flaw. However, that flaw has been exaggerated out of all reasonable proportion IMO. Yes, it means that Simmons has to be on the floor with good shooters and play in a favorable scheme. But his other talents border on elite

    Portland can't contend without taking some risks
     
    PHXBlazer1, Blazer509, BBert and 8 others like this.

Share This Page