<div class="quote_poster">Quoting I-Miss-MJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Who on the Warriors would we have been looking to trade Chandler for? </div> Probably Murphy or something... highly doubt it would happen though. Since most of their contracts are also horrible.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting I-Miss-MJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Who on the Warriors would we have been looking to trade Chandler for? The article says that the Hornets are mulling the Chandler/Brown trade...makes it sound like we offered it already.</div> Off the top of my head Murphy is the guy we have long been rumored to have interest in. From some of the threads I read in the Warriors forum it seems like that is the most likely guy coming to Chicago if Tyson is traded to the Warriors. I think a Warriors trade would be good for both teams, because Chandler is from the California area, and a return home might be good for him. However, Murphy is still a young double double guy. With us just investing a second overall pick in Tyrus Thomas I don?t see Murphy being a long term solution for the Bulls. I?m still hoping we get PJ Brown. He only has one year left on his current deal, and along with Wallace would add much needed experience to the team.
ESPN just reported the deal is almost official the players involved are PJ Brown and JR Smith for Chandler. Paxson is a busy man. Like the article said that MJ posted above.
I love this move for the Bulls. I was so excited to turn on ESPNews and see this in the little breaking news box. Wallace may not be an offensive threat but we weren't looking for one at Center. Last year our biggest problem was lacking a big man and now we have one. This is also great since we didn't keep Aldridge at least we have a big guy with another one with a ton of potential to learn from Wallace. Our scoring doesn't have to come from the C and PF position. We have Ben Gordon, Nocioni, Hinrich, Deng, and Thomas for that. They are all going to get better only going into their 3rd and 4th seasons and the scoring will come. The Bulls probably won't have to score much anyways because the best defense just got a whole lot better with Wallace. On top of all this we can potentially clear up cap room with the right trade for next year and we are going to have the Knicks 1st round pick. Next draft class is stacked and who knows, maybe we can land some future all-star next year.
Wallace is overrated, his age showed in the playoffs, he will upgrade Chicago, but they are still not a championship contending team. As long as they keep Nocioni, Gordon, and Hinrich, in the future they may become one though. I say Duhon and Chandler traded for Mihm in LA because the teams have been talking for a while now.
id be nervous if i were you! hahaha coz b.wallace only propspered coz of the other pistons... let's see if he really is taht good with worse teammates
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe23:</div><div class="quote_post">id be nervous if i were you! hahaha coz b.wallace only propspered coz of the other pistons... let's see if he really is taht good with worse teammates</div> Not only do you act like the Bulls players are bums but you act like Wallace is some offensive powerhouse depending on his teammates to get him the ball. Wallace's game is defense and both rebounding and blocking are him, not his other teammates. He'll be fine everything. This is almost like you are saying Wallace is nothing without Detroit's system like it's the Denver Broncos running system or something. Skiles is very focused about the defensive side and putting it all out on the floor so Wallace has a welcome home here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Remedy:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it'd be good to keep both chandler and Wallace, but I remember correctly, Chandler has a huge contract. And the Bulls are eventually gonna need the money to resign these young rookie contracts on their team.</div>No way does this happen. The whole reason we were hoping to bring in Big Ben is so we could get rid of Chandler. There's now way we're paying him $60 mil to sit the bench or to play around 25-30 min again. Now, on how I feel about this trade. Personally, I love this trade. We have the best frontcourt defender in the NBA on our team now and someone who will be a great mentor for Tyrus Thomas. While he may not be an upgrade over Chandler for offense, his defensive prescence is tremendous. He brings us a great shot blocker, great rebounder, hell, he can even defend pretty much any spot on the court (note: he defended LeBron at times in the playoffs and was successful at it). Beyond that, his prescence alone should make the rest of our defense confident and better in general. He's going to make slashers think twice before coming into the paint now. Onto another reason. This seemingly will open the door for the PJ Brown trade. Pax said this was the only way it would happen, so it's looking possible. If the Lakers pull this off, they dump Tyson's huge contract to the Hornets while inheriting the expiring one of PJ Brown, JR Smith's relatively inexpensive rookie contract, and probably a couple other expiring contracts to seal the deal. Bringing him in would likely give us the best defensive frontcourt in the East, and maybe in all of basketball. While PJ Brown doesn't block a whole love of shots, he's a tough guy. He's very strong and brings us another rebounder. Beyond that, he's a big guy that can clog the lane. Team him with the DPOY in Big Ben, and that's a helluva good defensive frontcourt. Plus, with him and Big Ben mentoring Tyson, the kid's future looks brighter by the day. All in all, I love this signing, to say the least. He gives us a better defense just by being there and he might be the reason why we get PJ Brown. NOTE: A couple last things here. His contract is 4yrs for $60mil. Also, according to ESPN, the Tyson for PJ/Smith trade is very close to being complete. I just saw both of these on SC, so I'm not sure if there's a link around.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe23:</div><div class="quote_post">id be nervous if i were you! hahaha coz b.wallace only propspered coz of the other pistons... let's see if he really is taht good with worse teammates</div> What are you talking about? Ben Wallace performed just as well when he was partnered with Stackhouse in Detroit before Prince emerged, before Billups got there, and before the Rip Hamilton trade. There is a reason people call Big Ben the heart of that defense, because he basically carried it. For the last several years he has been the definition of Detroit Basketball. Also worse teammates? How often do you watch the Bulls? There young players play harder than anyone else in the league. Ben Gordon is an emerging star in the league, Kirk one of the best young points, and Nocioni probably the most underrated defender in the league. BTW: Moo there is a link on the page prior to this one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wallace is overrated, his age showed in the playoffs, he will upgrade Chicago, but they are still not a championship contending team. As long as they keep Nocioni, Gordon, and Hinrich, in the future they may become one though. I say Duhon and Chandler traded for Mihm in LA because the teams have been talking for a while now.</div> A four time defensive player of the year is overrated, whatever you say. No way in hell the Bulls trade Chandler/Duhon for Chris Mihm. They have not been talking about this trade at all. Only the LA media/fans have talked about it not once has a rumor surfaced out of Chicago. The deal that is most likely going down is Chandler to NO. Look on the page prior to this for details.
I wonder what would happen if Chandler and Ben wallace were the starting guys at the PF/C spot. Damn thats what I call a Rebound Duo.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YugoRocketsfan:</div><div class="quote_post">I wonder what would happen if Chandler and Ben wallace were the starting guys at the PF/C spot. Damn thats what I call a Rebound Duo.</div>I know exactly what would happen. They would play great defensively, but we'd only get about 14-20 ppg from them combined and it'd make offense difficult. Those two in the frontcourt would force Gordon, Deng, and Hinrich to have to do too much and beyond that, they'd never get an open look. If you don't have an offensive player in the post to draw some type of attention, your perimeter players are going to have a tough time. And that's exactly what'd happen. No one would worry about the frontcourt scoring and rightfully so. So, no matter how great the defense would be, the offense would horrid. There would be no low post scoring prescence and that'd kill the perimeter players, cause the scoring would be that much more difficult.
I’m just letting everyone know before hand I am coining the phrase Meet the Benjamin’s to describe the Ben Gordon/Ben Wallace connection. I will also be using the phrase Ben Squared. As well as the phrase All about the Benjamins. Thank You, and have a nice day. LOL.
Great signing I'm looking forward to some gordon/hinrich to wallace alley oops. How many more years does Chandler have left on his contract? Forget Wallace and Wallace, it's Ben and Ben Now!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">As I said in the Pistons forum, I prepared myself for this, so I'm not too shocked to see him leave. I would rather see him leave than have us over pay him, he simply isnt worth a max contract, not based on his recent efforts. Also Chicago have always been a favourite team of mine, probally my second favourite team if I had to pick one (jumped on the Jordan bandwagon back in the day), so I'm glad Ben went to you guys instead of elsewhere. I think we'll go after Joel Pryzbilla now, who can replace Ben's shot blocking/rebounding output, and is alot younger. I think he would develop well on our team. The Bulls now have a very scary team, I'm tipping Eastern Conference finals (I want to get in early, lol): C - Ben Wallace PF - Tyrus Thomas / Tyson Chandler SF - Luol Deng / Andres Nocioni SG - Ben Gordon / Thabo Sefolosha PG - Kirk Hinrich / Chris Duhon *shivers*</div> Don't get your hopes up too high. That lineup has a total of zero consistant offense. Gordon is good, but he's inconsistant and that's putting a lot of weight on his shoulders to tell him to score and we'll get to the Eastern Conference Finals. If the Bulls can land Al Harrington, then I'll say that they'll be in good shape to be at least in the top half of the East.
Deng, Nocioni, Hinrich and Gordon are good scorers. Duhon has his days Thabo haven't seen. Malik Allen is normally hot early on as well.
I'm no sure what Ben Gordon you watched last season, but the one I saw, averaged 16.9ppg, hardly what i'd call inconsitant. Take a look for yourself : http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3820/g...ozh5C52tAekvLYF Keeping in mind he is only in his second season. The Bulls are like the Pistons, in that they dont rely on one person to do all the scoring for them, they seem to share it out, with their 3 main offensive weapons, Deng, Gordon and Hinrich all averaging 14-16ppg for the season, with chip in performances from the likes of Duhon, Nocioni, Chandler etc.
I hope Big Ben proves all the skeptics wrong. Though i will admit he might not as good. He'll be worth the money we spend on him instead of Chandler. Its only a 4 year deal. If we can get a good 3 years out of him thats all thats needed. Then on the final year we can either use it for cap room or use it as trade bait to get someone else.
