"Bernie Sanders admits he is a Democratic Socialist. … Nazis were Democratic Socialists."

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by SlyPokerDog, Oct 16, 2015.

  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I'm not suggesting a minimum wage. At $14/hr, burger king couldn't hire anyone. Nobody would take the job at that pay.
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I'm a fan of labor unions. Not the public sector ones.
     
  3. MickZagger

    MickZagger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    37,276
    Likes Received:
    16,162
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    UPS
    Location:
    V-Town Baby
    Well than what are you suggesting, Denny?

    That CEO's should continue to make bank and stash their earnings in the Cayman Islands, the average laborer bring home $35k and not be able to ever afford a house, or retirement.

    I look at the big picture. Without posters there is no message board. Without the guys on the front lines, these corporations aren't where they are.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    The corporations are a product of regulation.

    The $35K thing is irrelevant if government policies encourage people to work. That's about $15/hr, $35K. Close to it. For the LOWEST paying jobs.

    Plus the median income is over $50K. That means half the workers make MORE than that.

    What the CEOs make or do with their money is irrelevant. If you look at the highest paid CEO on the aflcio www site, he makes a $3M salary plus a bunch of paper (stock) to be vested and distributed over a period of several years. The company grew 4000% over 7 years, which is phenomenal. Looking at glassdoor.com, there are no jobs at discovery communications that pays as little as $35K. His $3M salary is a fraction of 1% of the company payroll - the 7000+ workers make 98%+. There are maybe a dozen execs making $1M+ there.

    http://www.aflcio.org/Corporate-Watch/Paywatch-2014/100-Highest-Paid-CEOs#
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2015
  5. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    National Socialist! It may not be much of point to quibble over though. The main ingredient is Socialist for both the Nazis and the Communist. The difference being
    The National focus for one and the Global focus for the other.

    Bernie is not really that much different than our average Democrats today, other than he is willing to call it like it is, he is a Socialist. It matters not who owns the means of production but
    what you do with the fruits of the production (profits) and how that is enforced. Government becomes the approved religion of society and the enforcement of distribution of the profits of production.
     
  6. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    50,346
    Likes Received:
    22,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah. Gotta have financial leverage on all the herbs.

    sent from a phone you've probably never heard of
     
  7. VanillaGorilla

    VanillaGorilla Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2009
    Messages:
    12,073
    Likes Received:
    4,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bernie isn't even actually a Democratic Socialist. The Scandinavian countries he loves and uses as examples are social democracies, they do not have fully socialist economies.
     
  8. VanillaGorilla

    VanillaGorilla Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2009
    Messages:
    12,073
    Likes Received:
    4,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "Social democracy is defined as a policy regime involving a universal welfare state and collective bargaining schemes within the framework of a capitalist economy."
     
  9. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    Socialism and democracy is not compatible, even if you try hard to explain it is. Anytime a government must govern social policies, then it cannot be a democracy. You take away the freedom and liberty of the citizens to freely decide what they do with their property.
     
  10. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    124,969
    Likes Received:
    145,233
    Trophy Points:
    115
    LOL! Seriously Mags, that's not even close to being the truth.
     
  11. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    It's absolutely the truth. Socialism is the redistribution of wealth equally among the people. Democracy, especially in this country, promotes freedom and liberty. How can one be free if a government controls your wealth?
     
  12. BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94

    BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 AWOL

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2013
    Messages:
    21,056
    Likes Received:
    10,366
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sanders is becoming '08 Obama in that if anyone says anything slightly critical or negative about him people lose their shit.
     
  13. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    124,969
    Likes Received:
    145,233
    Trophy Points:
    115
    Social democracy is a political ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy.

    Contemporary social democracy emerged in the post-war era. In this period, social democrats embraced the idea of reforming capitalism and rejected the goal of replacing capitalism with socialism. Social democrats embraced a mixed economy based on the predominance of private property, with only a small number of utilities and essential public services under public ownership.

    Modern social democracy is defined by its commitment to constitutional and representative democracy under the rule of law.
     
    Denny Crane and VanillaGorilla like this.
  14. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    Let me ask you again. "Are you truly "free" if a government controls your wealth?" Yes or no?
     
  15. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    124,969
    Likes Received:
    145,233
    Trophy Points:
    115
    The government doesn't control your wealth in a social democracy.

    Forbes released a list of best countries for business. #1 on the list, Denmark.
     
  16. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    Wrong... They not only control your wealth, by taxing middle class 50-70% of their income and taxing at a 49% of the country's GDP. They are the world leaders in strict immigration.
     
  17. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    Come on Sly, stop the bull! It matter not who controls the property if the profits earned are controlled (taxed at the whim of the have not voters and their shills) by the government.

    When a persons earnings are tapped at what ever rate pleases the masses, you can't get more socialist than this. You see it all the time on this board, calling for higher taxes on those that earn the money. They want and vote for the person that say he will do it to the fat cats. What the hell else does Sanders have? He wants to take 90% and the people cheer!

    What the hell, this country was not founded that way, the income tax was not even envisioned that way, 1 to 7%. It didn't take long though for the have nots to idolize the leader that proposed to take more and Give it to them. Hallelujah, we have the power!
     
  18. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    68,298
    Likes Received:
    67,317
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But the thing is with campaigns, nobody is cheering...wolf has been cried too many times..we're numb when they say they'll trickle down earnings from the ultra wealthy or bring factories back here that we'll supply the labor for or that we'll stop sending troops to every trouble spot on the planet to police democracy. They always say these things...the trick with voting is too eliminate the worst of the lot at any cost. That's what this election means to me. It's not a job that attracts talent so we're left with a really poor field to choose from..
     
    donkiez likes this.
  19. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    I almost never want to hear a President speak of Democracy again. We don't really have it here and I have no desire to make others use it. The the jobs are simple, they come here when this is the best place to do the work and the best place to make a profit with the least tax. If that is not here, then the jobs will go where this criterion in true. Gone are the day when you can make a business man dance to the panders tune, when someone else likes his groove too.

    There was a time when this didn't happen so callously, when we were a nation together, but we have been segregated, separated and classified by design for control. Now you see the result,
    no longer one people, no longer together, no longer supportive of each other. Many palms out.
     
  20. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    LOL

    upload_2015-10-17_15-36-39.png
     

Share This Page