Politics Bernie Sanders blames election loss on Kamala Harris listening to billionaires over working class

The powers that be in the Democratic Party denied Bernie the Presidency. And thus we have Trump.

Shame on the chairwoman of the DNC. Wasserman Shultz should take full blame.

 

You sure go to great lengths to deflect from the fact the democratic parties biggest obstacle is the Democratic Party.

Don’t tell people who should be President and the party will get back on the right footing.

 

Bernie would’ve had that support. Without a doubt., I was college aged then. It was a frenzy. People finally felt there was a politician that understood their generation

Pure speculation on your part.

I have a feeling you’re a boomer though. My dad was the same way about Bernie

 

Getting rid of the superdelegate problem did significantly help. Bernie had Biden on the ropes, and without significant interference stood a very good chance of winning.

But I didn't suggest the superdelegates were the only problem. I suggested the DNC being partial and uneven handed is the problem.

They shouldn't be putting their thumb on the scale. At all.

And no, I don't think Bernie could have offered the same support as Biden was able to (as you suggested above). Biden had the backing of the DNC. Bernie didn't. The DNC wasn't going anywhere, regardless of who won.

Bernie couldn't have gotten the backing of the DNC because the DNC is part of the problem that Bernie is trying to fix. They are part of the overall problem.

DNC guardrails gave us Trump...

 

I have no problem with people participating in the political process. I do have a problem with the DNC interfering.

But if Bernie didn't win, the DNC could blackball them. Bernie wouldn't do that. As he has proven by not going to the matts against the DNC or Hillary, or Biden when he had leverage to do so. He didn't want to risk Trump winning.

They risked more by choosing Bernie, and stood to gain more by choosing Biden, because Bernie would be trying to get rid of that kind of thing.

And if you know Bernie will be fighting against the DNC the whole time, regardless of your choice, you figure out that you may wind up fighting for your political life by supporting Bernie.

The 77 million weren't the problem. Trump hardly gained anything over his loss to Biden. It's the 10 million who didn't care enough to show up this time because they didn't feel they had anyone to vote FOR.

 

These aren't relevant points in this discussion.

I have to conclude you're just arguing to argue. Or you don't want to admit that you were wrong about the DNC/Bernie situation back then.

Either way, you're not being logical about this. You're far from the only one. Lots of boomers feel the same way. Decades of propaganda did it's job I guess...

 

She's such a disgusting cyclops. The fact that she's still in the DNC tells you everything you need to know.

 

The DNC preferred Trump to Bernie. They all got to stay in, complain, and fundraise off Trump for 4 years. They're doing it again now. Bernie would have threatened their cash flow.

 

Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortes held rallies against oligarchy. Huge crowds. Wild enthusiasm. What did they do with all that energy? All that wanting to fight back? Nothing. Just let it dissipate. Why didn't they help organize on the ground groups?

Incidentally, Harris ran for president talking about building housing and expanding access to health care. Trump talked about Hannibal Lecter and unfairly treated January 6 insurrectionists.

Errors yes and badly overestimated anti Trump Republicans but one candidate was raised by working class single mother and one was nepo baby who ran businesses into the ground but she was elitist?

 

I don't know. Is this an opportunity that is being missed? What more could they be doing? How would they organize on the ground groups, and for what?

I think this is a super important discussion to have.

 

I am not sure but basically they came into town, spoke, left. If they had coordinated with Indivisible and Tesla Takedown and others, with unions and immigrants rights and LGBTQ groups and announced organizing meeting from podium, would have gotten turnout for planning actions. I was really excited about these rallies, they weren't in San Francisco and Portland and Cambridge, they were in red and purple areas. But I now have to wonder, and I don't like saying this because I like Bernie and AOC, maybe more about them?

 

Could be. I love hearing this feedback.

I wonder why those groups aren't making these suggestions and requests? Or maybe they are and are being ignored?

 

I don't know if they made suggestions and were ignored. I have been involved with Indivisible and basically no contact. Some people went to rallies but that was separate from what they do every day.
Resistance comes from below.

 

Interesting. Should these groups be reaching out or do you think it needs to go the other way?

 

Reaching out to Bernie? Not sure what you mean.

But No Kings rallies everywhere June 14.