The Bucks just look at these young stars! pg-tj ford sg-redd sf-bobby simmons pf-joe smith c-andrew bouget 6th-desmen mason 7th-jiri welsh 8th-ervin johnson you got to say they are going to win a chapinship pretty soon
for the best starting line up it would go to miami, but i think they will have chemestry problems especialy from walker. so i choose detroit if you count chemestry problems, staff, etc.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not saying Heat because less shots for Dwayne Wade and Shaq means less wins IMO. I'm going with Spurs on this one, They have a superstar PF/C (best player in the league), a top 6 SG, a good hustle C and great depth behind him if someone takes his job, a very fast great scoring PG, and the best perimeter defender in the league. Everyone plays excellent defense and spreads the ball around and no one chucks up bad shots. They also have great depth, but i dont think we are factoring this into the argument.</div> I disagree. First of all, it's very arguable that Tim Duncan is the best player in the league. Even the best PF for that matter. Second, Manu Ginobili is NOT a top 5 shooting guard. Top 10? Yes, but not top 5. Third, it's also arguable that Bruce Bowen is the best perimeter defender. Ron Artest is at least as good as him, in my opinion. Ron Artest doesn't rely on cheap tactics to defend either. Heat obviously have the best starting five on paper, but the whole chemistry thing is still iffy. They have five guys (Jason Williams, Antoine Walker, Shaq, and Gary Payton) who all have the potential to stir up some ruckus. Whenever a team has this many superstars there is always a question about chemistry, even if they have better behavioral track records than these guys... I don't know if they have the best, but I really like the look of the Cavs lineup this year. Damon Jones, Larry Hughes, LeBron James, Drew Gooden, and Ilgauskas. They've got every position filled nicely and, if LeBron keeps improving, should be a contender this year.
The Heat definetely have the best lineup. Shaq, Wade,Walker, J-Will, the Glove, etc. Theyre the best offensive lineup. The Spurs dont have the best lineup mainly because only Duncan averages more than 15 a game. Parker. Nobli, and Bowen arent great scorers but each can drop 20 easily. Theyre the best defensive team. Cleveland has improved with the addition of shooters like damon and hughes who Bron desperately needed. Uzairah T-mac I understand but dont say enough said when talking about Yao. The Next Smits and Bradley. Not Bill but Michael. Can't wait to see how many people dunk on Yao this year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post"> Can't wait to see how many people dunk on Yao this year.</div> noone is going to dunk on yao this time, cause now that swift is on our side, that takes one player off that dunked on him, and he will help alot on defense
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting uzairah:</div><div class="quote_post">easily H-town, best line up in the league. T-Mac and Yao Ming, enough said</div> I would take Wade and Shaq over T-Mac and Yao. Wade is a lot closer to T-Mac's level than Yao is to Shaq's. That?s beside the point; we are talking about the best lineup not best duo. I?m not exactly sure how the Rockets starting lineup will look so I?m guessing. This is my opinion on which players are superior to each other. J-Will>Sura/James/Anderson Wade>Barry/Anderson Posey<T-Mac Haslem<Swift Shaq>Yao My conclusion is that the Heat has the best starting lineup in the league. The rockets are close but I?m going to go with the Heat on this one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tr@cy&ya0:</div><div class="quote_post">noone is going to dunk on yao this time, cause now that swift is on our side, that takes one player off that dunked on him, and he will help alot on defense</div> Please everybody is gonna dunk on Yao. Even Childress dunked on Yao. You make no sense about Swift. How is swift going 2 stop someone from dunking on somebody else. Look at Bradley. The Mavs have Dirk and Bradley still gets dunked on.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Please everybody is gonna dunk on Yao. Even Childress dunked on Yao. You make no sense about Swift. How is swift going 2 stop someone from dunking on somebody else. Look at Bradley. The Mavs have Dirk and Bradley still gets dunked on.</div> Please tell me why Yao's ability to get dunked changes anything about his statline- which is 18.3 ppg and 8.4 rpg in 30.6 mpg. It doesn't change the fact that he's already putting up very nice numbers and along with McGrady, will create a strong duo in the league. I really don't think Rockets have the best lineup, but you shouldn't take anything away from them, they certainly have a nice lineup.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Please tell me why Yao's ability to get dunked changes anything about his statline- which is 18.3 ppg and 8.4 rpg in 30.6 mpg. It doesn't change the fact that he's already putting up very nice numbers and along with McGrady, will create a strong duo in the league. I really don't think Rockets have the best lineup, but you shouldn't take anything away from them, they certainly have a nice lineup.</div> If you ask me 18.3 ppg and 8.4 rpg is bad for a 7'5. He should at least be averaging 25 pts a game. He's not agressive and will never be. Mutombo has a bigger presence in the paint then Yao does. We're talking about Yao not the rockets starting lineup.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> If you ask me 18.3 ppg and 8.4 rpg is bad for a 7'5. He should at least be averaging 25 pts a game. He's not agressive and will never be. Mutombo has a bigger presence in the paint then Yao does. We're talking about Yao not the rockets starting lineup.</div> ...He's certainly doing better than all the 7'5 guys before him. He's playing limited minutes- a little above 30 minutes and still averages nice numbers for his position. On top of that, he is one of the most efficient players in the league. Not being aggressive doesn't mean if he'll ever be a great player. There's something called finesse. Really? I thought we were talking about the starting lineup, considering this is a thread about best lineups in the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">...He's certainly doing better than all the 7'5 guys before him. He's playing limited minutes- a little above 30 minutes and still averages nice numbers for his position. On top of that, he is one of the most efficient players in the league. Not being aggressive doesn't mean if he'll ever be a great player. There's something called finesse. Really? I thought we were talking about the starting lineup, considering this is a thread about best lineups in the NBA.</div> Centers are supposed to be agressive. They have to block shots, grab rebounds, post up and dunk. It does'nt matter about the other guys. We're talking about Yao Ming. Nice isnt enough for a 7'5 guy playing with smaller centers. For a 7'5 guy he has to average at least 25 pts like I said before. He has no excuse. His teammates are real talented and I believe this is his 4th year. If Yao doesnt average 20-25 then he's a bust to me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Centers are supposed to be agressive. They have to block shots, grab rebounds, post up and dunk. It does'nt matter about the other guys. We're talking about Yao Ming. Nice isnt enough for a 7'5 guy playing with smaller centers. For a 7'5 guy he has to average at least 25 pts like I said before. He has no excuse. His teammates are real talented and I believe this is his 4th year. If Yao doesnt average 20-25 then he's a bust to me.</div> The game of basketball is changing- nowadays you see a lot more shoot first point guards or athletic centers such as Dalembert and Amare. Thats why there really isn't a "supposed to" anymore. Yao actually does all those things you mention so I don't understand what you're talking about. He's a pretty good rebounder (8.4 rebounds in about 30 minutes), has some nice post moves, and yes, in fact he can dunk. Nice isn't enough? You also need to consider that basically every center out there is faster and quicker than Yao. Being tall also means you're generally slower. Its actually very possible for him to average 25 points, if of course he was given a bit more minutes. In fact, per 48 minutes, he's 16th in the league for points, just behind Magette and ahead of Garnett. He's in his fourth year of his career- so he's still pretty young and has to work on not getting petty fouls like many of his age. He's 25, but you also need to factor in that his development has been slightly stunted from learning a completely different style of playing. Over in China, players learn to pass more instead of being more "selfish" like here in the states.
Thats why Yao is weak. He played in China where he didnt compete with tough and physical centers. IF he had grew up here and played in AAU and college the story would be different. The game has'nt changed much. I can't even think of a PG who does'nt pass the ball alot. And if they dont then those teams probably have a losing record. And I know Yao can do those things but he doesnt excel in those statistical departments. I agree Yao should be averaging more minutes but I dont think 10 minutes is going 2 have a dramatic improvement in his stats.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats why Yao is weak. He played in China where he didnt compete with tough and physical centers. IF he had grew up here and played in AAU and college the story would be different. </div> So? He's actually gained a lot of muscle over the offseason so he shouldn't exactly be considered weak. Its his mentality. But he's been taking care of that and I strongly believe you can succeed in the NBA with a game based on finesse and skills. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The game has'nt changed much. I can't even think of a PG who does'nt pass the ball alot. And if they dont then those teams probably have a losing record. </div> I was going for the fact that there's much more shoot first point guards nowadays. Sorry if that came out unclear. Iverson, Wade, Marbury, and Steve Francis are some players that come to mind. Don't get me wrong, they do pass the ball, but the focus is shifted more towards scoring compared to the older days of Stockton or Isiah. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And I know Yao can do those things but he doesnt excel in those statistical departments. I agree Yao should be averaging more minutes but I dont think 10 minutes is going 2 have a dramatic improvement in his stats. </div> Think about it this way- if he had ten more minutes, he would definitely be averaging a double double. Even with thirty minutes, he's about two away from getting ten rebounds. He has the third highest field goal percentage in the league, so you know that he is capable of scoring at least five more points in ten minutes time.
He's 7'5. He can dunk with a little hop. He's going 2 have a good percentage. Isiah was a bad example. Isiah scored alot. He was a shoot first pg. Francis was stripped of his PG duties, Marbury averages 8 apg, Wade averages 6.8 and AI averages 7.9. These stats can be deceiving though. Like I said 10 minutes isnt going 2 give him a boost. I agree with your statements. Bottom line is Yao should be dominating down low, drawing more defenders, and rebounding and scoring. He shouldnt be getting dunked on and stuff like that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He's 7'5. He can dunk with a little hop. He's going 2 have a good percentage. Isiah was a bad example. Isiah scored alot. He was a shoot first pg. Francis was stripped of his PG duties, Marbury averages 8 apg, Wade averages 6.8 and AI averages 7.9. These stats can be deceiving though. Like I said 10 minutes isnt going 2 give him a boost. I agree with your statements. Bottom line is Yao should be dominating down low, drawing more defenders, and rebounding and scoring. He shouldnt be getting dunked on and stuff like that.</div> My bad about Isiah. Still, you get my point. The attention for point guards has shifted from passing to scoring since the arrival of Iverson. Francis still plays a lot of point guard and even before he was "stripped" of his duties, in Houston he wasn't that stellar at passing either. Marbury and Iverson average respectable numbers for assists, but you need to take a look at their turnovers. How's the extra minutes not going to give him a boost? Yao will have more time to get in the groove for his shooting- increasing his points per game. His rebounding can easily be ten, its ridiculous to think he can't get two more rebounds in ten minutes. In actuality, Yao is drawing double teams. Why do you think the three point shooters on the Rockets such as Wesley and Barry are thriving? They're getting easy shots because of the double team coverage on Yao and McGrady. Again with the "should be". Just see how he does in his prime, its stupid to think he won't be improving (which he's also done in all his years so far). And if he gets dunked on, so? Even Tim Duncan has gotten dunked on.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">He's 7'5. He can dunk with a little hop. He's going 2 have a good percentage. Isiah was a bad example. Isiah scored alot. He was a shoot first pg. Francis was stripped of his PG duties, Marbury averages 8 apg, Wade averages 6.8 and AI averages 7.9. These stats can be deceiving though. Like I said 10 minutes isnt going 2 give him a boost. I agree with your statements. Bottom line is Yao should be dominating down low, drawing more defenders, and rebounding and scoring. He shouldnt be getting dunked on and stuff like that.</div> What the hell? If Yao gets 40 minutes and 18 shots a game, he'll be 24/12 at the very least. We're talking a 33% increase in playing time here, of course it'll impact his stats. Also, number one picks don't have to score 25 points per game to not be labelled as busts. Is Kenyon Martin a bust? Is Dwight Howard a bust? Is Elton Brand a bust? None of those guys averaged 25 points a game either.
To me Yao is a bust if he doesnt average 25/12 a game especially since he has a huge advantage in being 7'5. The next guy that is even close to being as tall as him is Shaq and he's in a whole other Conference. Elton averages 20 a game, Kenyon averages 15, dwight was a rookie but he did average 10 pts a game. These guys dont have a huge advantage among their fellow centers or PF's. They dont stand out with size or any other attribute. Yao does. If wilt chamberlain didnt average 30 a game would'nt he be considered a bust? Yes he would have. And Wilt is 4 inches smaller than Yao. There is no reason not to be averaging 25/12 in his 4th year being 7'5 feet tall and being in a playoff team. NUFF SAID.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">To me Yao is a bust if he doesnt average 25/12 a game especially since he has a huge advantage in being 7'5. The next guy that is even close to being as tall as him is Shaq and he's in a whole other Conference. Elton averages 20 a game, Kenyon averages 15, dwight was a rookie but he did average 10 pts a game. These guys dont have a huge advantage among their fellow centers or PF's. They dont stand out with size or any other attribute. Yao does. If wilt chamberlain didnt average 30 a game would'nt he be considered a bust? Yes he would have. And Wilt is 4 inches smaller than Yao. There is no reason not to be averaging 25/12 in his 4th year being 7'5 feet tall and being in a playoff team. NUFF SAID.</div> I don't know how getting 18/8 right now makes him a bust when he's shooting 55% from the field, 77% from the free throw line, and averaged more blocks per game than Tyson Chandler, Emeka Okafor, Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire and Kevin Garnett. Being 7-5 means a lot, but there are also implications on it. Being 7-5 means you're naturally slower than most opponents, and also more vulnerable to fatigue and injury. The fact that Yao has missed only 2 games in three seasons is very impressive, but because of his lack of agility, he's prone to get stripped on offense. Being 7-5 is not an advantage. Yao still gets blocked and dunked on on the regular. If he was 7-5 but was still as fast and jumps as fast as Stoudemire, it's a different story, but up to now, he's far exceeded the expectation of most.
