9/11 happened under BUSH...NOT CLINTON. CLINTON COULDN'T DO ANYTHING, HE WASN'T IN OFFICE.NOW THAT'S ENOUGH SAID WITH THAT. WHAT EXPERTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SOME CONSERVATIVE FOX NEWS CHANNEL EXPERT?
Man I'd have to go with George W Bush. Our ecomony is doing awesome, nothing has happened bad while he's been in office, and he is the best talking president we've ever had in the history of the United States. :thumbdn1:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 6 2007, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>9/11 happened under BUSH...NOT CLINTON. CLINTON COULDN'T DO ANYTHING, HE WASN'T IN OFFICE.NOW THAT'S ENOUGH SAID WITH THAT. WHAT EXPERTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SOME CONSERVATIVE FOX NEWS CHANNEL EXPERT?</div>ABC had a big, very contraversial, special which focused a lot of blame on Clinton. also, many counter-terrorism experts have said he is more at fault than Bush. but like I said, I don't see either of them having much culpibility. they have people inside their administration who are suppost to deal with this stuff, and than report to the president or the pentigon. the guy under the Clinton administration who was suppost to do this, failed to do his job.
It's just completely and untterly stupid to blame Clinton when the guy wasn't in office during the attacks. The ONLY person you can really blame is Bush...and although I hate Bush, it's hard to put a TON of blame on him as well...No one really saw this coming, I know theres alot of theories out there, and I HATE BUSH and I'm even saying it was tough for him to do much...but don't sit here and blame Clinton, that's B.S.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jan 6 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ABC had a big, very contraversial, special which focused a lot of blame on Clinton. also, many counter-terrorism experts have said he is more at fault than Bush. but like I said, I don't see either of them having much culpibility. they have people inside their administration who are suppost to deal with this stuff, and than report to the president or the pentigon. the guy under the Clinton administration who was suppost to do this, failed to do his job.</div> That ABC 9/11 special was a load of crap, it was not all fact and was almost taken off the air, it had a warning before it showed saying that not all things in it were 100% correct...
okay, the guy who was in office 8 yrs, and majority of the time they had been planning this, AND while he was in office the same people attacked the SAME building shouldnt be blamed more than Bush?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Memphis Fan @ Jan 6 2007, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>okay, the guy who was in office 8 yrs, and majority of the time they had been planning this, AND while he was in office the same people attacked the SAME building shouldnt be blamed more than Bush?</div>So, If Clinton is so bad, why couldn't Bush do anything about this when he came in office? Since, ya know, Clinton knew about this for 8 years...
Clinton didnt know sh*t about it, and the reason why is because he and his administration didnt do muh after the Twin Tower attacks in '93. If he wouldve done some real action and try to take care of the situation in full, 9/11 probably wouldnt have happened.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 6 2007, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>9/11 happened under BUSH...NOT CLINTON. CLINTON COULDN'T DO ANYTHING, HE WASN'T IN OFFICE.NOW THAT'S ENOUGH SAID WITH THAT. WHAT EXPERTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SOME CONSERVATIVE FOX NEWS CHANNEL EXPERT?</div>HELLO I AM MaRdYC26 AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THE USS COLEWATCH ME BLINDLY WALK INTO THIS ARGUMENT
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Memphis Fan @ Jan 6 2007, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Clinton didnt know sh*t about it, and the reason why is because he and his administration didnt do muh after the Twin Tower attacks in '93. If he wouldve done some real action and try to take care of the situation in full, 9/11 probably wouldnt have happened.</div> What would you have wanted Clinton to do after the failed WTC attack? Go on the warpath? If I remember correctly the Republican leadership in the Senate didn't want to do much either.
see, I htink I got caught up trying to defend Bush to prove that Clinton was NOT a good president. I really dont like either, and the Republicans didnt do much either.But Clinton couldve alot more to stop, or to take control of the situation which was given right in his face. He did little to the terrorists, and they planned on and resulted in 9/11. Clinton is just popular for some reason...*coughblowjobcough*. And its stupid to think he was a top 3 president...what life changing accomplishments did he do that Lincoln, FDR did?
I don't think Clinton really could do much from the first WTC attack, because at the time some thought it was done by only a few people and didn't have any backing from any terrorist organization. also, at the time no body knew who Al-Quida was. what Clinton should take sh*t from is his handeling of the embassy bombings in Africa. He did absolutly nothing except blow up a 50 year old abondoned factory. after those bombings the Clinton administration should have take precautions to safeguard this nation. because, right after those bombings Bin Ladin said he planed to attack the US on its home soil.
I am going to say Lincoln. The guy was the president while all of America was being torn apart, how much of a harder time can you pick to be president than that one? And yet, people say he was a great president. So my opinion is, if everyone thought he was a great president, and he was a president during a time when it would have been extremely tough to be president (hard to win the people over if the country is torn in two), then he must have been one of the best.The thing is though, it is hard to label one president as the all out best and I don't know much about what was going on before my time, let alone way back then. So it is unfair for me to judge presidents when I don't know everything they had to go through.
The reason Clinton was a popular president because he focused on the problems at home. Bush is focusing more about the problems with Iraq, then he is on his own people. There's so many people that go without health insuarance, it's so ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Memphis Fan @ Jan 6 2007, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it doesn't make him a top 3 president....nuff said.</div>It does In My Opinion. Focusing on your own people is huge. Giving them health insurance, more job oppurtunites, better econonmy, and lowering taxes for the middle class. Sounds like a good president to me. Like I've stated soo many times in this topic, it's opinon. Obviously if your a republican, you may not agree with some of his values...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 6 2007, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It does In My Opinion. Focusing on your own people is huge. Giving them health insurance, more job oppurtunites, better econonmy, and lowering taxes for the middle class. Sounds like a good president to me. Like I've stated soo many times in this topic, it's opinon. Obviously if your a republican, you may not agree with some of his values...</div>So logically you are saying that health insurance, more job opportunities (which by the way, he didn't really cause), better economy (once again, not his doing), and lowering taxes for the middle class is more important than freeing black slaves and keeping the nation from falling apart. Okay, right.
so you think republicans dont care about the country of America..just war pursuers? So why the hell does Bush try to keepp illegal immigrants out, why does he put 2 CIA agents on every plane now, why does he spend billions on American issues amongst oursleves? Im not even republican, and you can never convince me that Clinton is a top 3 president...hes nowhere near FDR, Lincoln or even Woodrow Wilson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 6 2007, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So logically you are saying that health insurance, more job opportunities (which by the way, he didn't really cause), better economy (once again, not his doing), and lowering taxes for the middle class is more important than freeing black slaves and keeping the nation from falling apart. Okay, right.</div>Missed my post. My top three presidents are from the 1920's and on. What Lincoln did with freeing slaves was great, but I'm talking about recent presidents. And I ranked Clinton 3rd, when FDR was clearly first on my list. So STFU.
