I'm mad I missed this entire thread....But obviously there are some a couple QB's with better physical skills but you can't deny bradys above avg skills combined with just pure desire to WIN...I would say only Manning would be the one guy I would possibly take over brady...but with the way manning has played in big games...its so hard to pick him over brady...plus me being a patriot fan that has seen many games besides the last two superbowls in person..doesn make me just a tad bit biased...but brady did come out and show he can throw the ball down field now that he finally has a real running back to play action with and has been up there in TD's for the last 3 years so he doesn have some numbers as well...and I'm sorry any team that got brady regardless of system would have found themselves with a winner and one of the most competitive guys in football...pure and simple.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'>Sounds like you guys are arguing a subjective point. If I answered Jake Plummer, it's not a wrong answer. It's just not the popular one. Manning or Brady, I'd take Manning because I think he has superior physical skill. But that doesn't mean anything, it's just one man's opinion.</div> If you go purely by Physical skills, then you take a Culpepper in a heart beat. He can do the same things that Manning can, but he is more mobile.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoodie7)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok Beef, yes you are correct they will never be on the field at the same time, but dont put it past the patriots to try brady at like corner or something. But what i meant was that Bradys nerve and intangables are superior to mannings. Peyton is a great player no doubt but you also have to consider who Peyton has around him. Edgerrin James...beast. Marvin Harrison...beast. Reggie Wayne...beast. Marcus Pollard was pretty good as well as brandon stokely...before the acquisition of corey dillon from my team the bengals, who has brady had...troy brown and david patten...</div> I don't think anyone will discredit Brady for not putting up big stats. I also don't think anyone will claim that Brady had a similar or better supporting cast. You really can't compare these guys this way. Otherwise you would have to look at the defensive support and see the exact opposite. For what its worth: New England scored 348 points in 2003 and 437 in 2004. Indy scored 447 in 2003 and 522 in 2004. How do you possibly tell who did more with what they had? Especially when you consider that the New England defense is going to give the ball back quickly more often and the Indy offense is going to be playing from behind more often? Since Dillon seemed to have a good 4.7 YPC average, I'll throw out this year. The previous two years performances by James, 4.1 and 3.6, weren't exactly stellar. The statistical differences between these two guys is more scheme than talent and shouldn't be the deciding factor.
The thing about manning that gets me..is for a guy as talented and smart as he is..he still whines and pouts everytime things aren't going his way and he shows his receivers up ALL THE TIME with gestures he makes on the field and thats when you have him right where you want him...when things don't go right especially in a meaningful game you don't see brady show anyone up or ever look down...he 99% of the time perfectly composed and confident...thats the one glaring difference I see and probably a huge part of the reason he is 9-0 in the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'>The thing about manning that gets me..is for a guy as talented and smart as he is..he still whines and pouts everytime things aren't going his way and he shows his receivers up ALL THE TIME with gestures he makes on the field and thats when you have him right where you want him...when things don't go right especially in a meaningful game you don't see brady show anyone up or ever look down...he 99% of the time perfectly composed and confident...thats the one glaring difference I see and probably a huge part of the reason he is 9-0 in the playoffs.</div> The biggest difference i see is a porous colts defense and a super lock down shut every down defense that NE has.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'>The thing about manning that gets me..is for a guy as talented and smart as he is..he still whines and pouts everytime things aren't going his way and he shows his receivers up ALL THE TIME with gestures he makes on the field and thats when you have him right where you want him...when things don't go right especially in a meaningful game you don't see brady show anyone up or ever look down...he 99% of the time perfectly composed and confident...thats the one glaring difference I see and probably a huge part of the reason he is 9-0 in the playoffs.</div> I would imagine that we could come up with a lot of talented athletes that whine a lot. That is a reason not to like him. That is not a reason to think he isn't good. I will grant you that not liking him can be a decision for you not to be "at the helm" of your team. Brady is among the most composed. That is one major reason why he is being considered by many here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'>The thing about manning that gets me..is for a guy as talented and smart as he is..he still whines and pouts everytime things aren't going his way and he shows his receivers up ALL THE TIME with gestures he makes on the field and thats when you have him right where you want him...when things don't go right especially in a meaningful game you don't see brady show anyone up or ever look down...he 99% of the time perfectly composed and confident...thats the one glaring difference I see and probably a huge part of the reason he is 9-0 in the playoffs.</div> I would imagine that we could come up with a lot of talented athletes that whine a lot. That is a reason not to like him. That is not a reason to think he isn't good. I will grant you that not liking him can be a decision for you not to be "at the helm" of your team. Brady is among the most composed. That is one major reason why he is being considered by many here.</div> Exactly..I'm definitely not saying he isn't good...I just think actions like that on the field in front of thousands in the stadium and millions on TV doesn't go over to well with his receivers or team...whether they would actually say something or not is a different story but I know if someone shows me up for making an error in a meaningless softball game my competitveness makes me want to kick their ass...so I can only imagine what an ultra competitve football player would feel like being shown up in front of millions. I just think mannings attitude is one of the reasons he is not winning big games..I mean his defense hasn't helped but we only score 20 on them in the playoffs...so thats really no excuse for that game...though we did have multiple drives of 6-7+ minutes that helped keep him off the field as well...but 3 points...and if you remember he threw what should have been a pick the play before their field goal..but I think it was either Gay or Samuel that just flat out dropped the ball in the endzone. It really could have been a shut out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Is is Colts defense fault that the Colts could only score 3 points against the Pats last year???</div> Obviously not, its the Patriots defense. Ultimately, the 3 points has little to do with it. If the 3 points is a problem with Manning, do you feel that Indy should start looking for a new QB to put them over the top? After all, there were plenty of other QBs that scored more than 3 point on New England last year. Maybe you are saying it was Mannings fault that James went only 14 for 39 yards? Was it his fault that he couldn't hit these great Colt receivers that were wide open in a poor New England defense? After all, everyone else lit up the NE D during the season. I got it. Brady must only be better because he has a better supporting cast. After all Dillon went 23 for 144 and Faulk added another 11 for 56. It took the pressure off of Brady. Hm...Brady only scored 20 on a poor Colts defense. So does that mean Brady can't score as much against this defense as an injured Titans offense did a month before, or does that mean Brady only plays hard enough to win and doesn't try to score when they get up by a couple touchdowns? Give me a break. Don't reply unless you know this whole post is full of sarcasm. (Oh, by the way, the Colts also scored 24 against them last year too.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly..I'm definitely not saying he isn't good...I just think actions like that on the field in front of thousands in the stadium and millions on TV doesn't go over to well with his receivers or team...whether they would actually say something or not is a different story but I know if someone shows me up for making an error in a meaningless softball game my competitveness makes me want to kick their ass...so I can only imagine what an ultra competitve football player would feel like being shown up in front of millions.</div> Weird. That guy plays on my softball team too.
I think I have made this clear before, I am not a fan of how Peyton Manning plays football. He's a good player, but I dont think he's a good leader. I do think that he shows up his teammates, even though he himself makes mistakes as well. I will never forget, that he as brilliant as he thinks he is, allowed himself to get sacked in that first game of the season, and effectively taking them out of field goal range. That was unexcusavble, in that situation even a 5 year old kid knows to throw the ball away. I also think it's a joke, that the guy gets the MVP and Offensive player of the year award in the same year, and then only leads his team to 3 points in the biggest game of the year. I agree that James did not play well, but ulrimately the Colts should have been able to score more points against the PAtriots and their secondary. I think that with all his changes at the line, all he did in that game was confuse his own teammates. Just once, I would have liked him to come to the line and run a damn play. Once his style stopped working, he couldnt adjust to the game. Tom Brady on the other hand..Look in the Super Bowl, he played horrible in the 1st half and couldn't get anything done against the Eagles blitz. In the 2nd half, the team came out and adjusted and he looked straight at the blitz and made plays. He's a much better QB then people give him credit for.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>At least peyton isnt the one who was too tired at the end of the super bowl.</div> hahaha ok TO!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>You're right, he didnt even get there in the first place...</div> So it is better to get there and choke, than not make it at all. They did have a lot in common they both were eliminated by same team in playoffs, the eagles were just fortunate not to have to play them till super bowl
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>You're right, he didnt even get there in the first place...</div> So it is better to get there and choke, than not make it at all. They did have a lot in common they both were eliminated by same team in playoffs, the eagles were just fortunate not to have to play them till super bowl</div> Blah...Blah...Blah.. Same old story for BF1, why dont you come up with some new material.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>You're right, he didnt even get there in the first place...</div> So it is better to get there and choke, than not make it at all. They did have a lot in common they both were eliminated by same team in playoffs, the eagles were just fortunate not to have to play them till super bowl</div> Blah...Blah...Blah.. Same old story for BF1, why dont you come up with some new material.</div> Why dont you come up with a legitimate retort?
Did you even read my original post I wrote?? "I think I have made this clear before, I am not a fan of how Peyton Manning plays football. He's a good player, but I dont think he's a good leader. I do think that he shows up his teammates, even though he himself makes mistakes as well. I will never forget, that he as brilliant as he thinks he is, allowed himself to get sacked in that first game of the season, and effectively taking them out of field goal range. That was unexcusavble, in that situation even a 5 year old kid knows to throw the ball away. I also think it's a joke, that the guy gets the MVP and Offensive player of the year award in the same year, and then only leads his team to 3 points in the biggest game of the year. I agree that James did not play well, but ulrimately the Colts should have been able to score more points against the PAtriots and their secondary. I think that with all his changes at the line, all he did in that game was confuse his own teammates. Just once, I would have liked him to come to the line and run a damn play. Once his style stopped working, he couldnt adjust to the game. Tom Brady on the other hand..Look in the Super Bowl, he played horrible in the 1st half and couldn't get anything done against the Eagles blitz. In the 2nd half, the team came out and adjusted and he looked straight at the blitz and made plays. He's a much better QB then people give him credit for. " Retort to that, your only comment was that atleast Peyton was not the one who got tired in the Super Bowl. This is a discussion between Manning and Brady, McNabb has nothing to do with it. But you, just cant focus on the topic and have to go back and bash DMac one more time. We all get it, you think he choked....move on
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Did you even read my original post I wrote?? "I think I have made this clear before, I am not a fan of how Peyton Manning plays football. He's a good player, but I dont think he's a good leader. I do think that he shows up his teammates, even though he himself makes mistakes as well. I will never forget, that he as brilliant as he thinks he is, allowed himself to get sacked in that first game of the season, and effectively taking them out of field goal range. That was unexcusavble, in that situation even a 5 year old kid knows to throw the ball away. I also think it's a joke, that the guy gets the MVP and Offensive player of the year award in the same year, and then only leads his team to 3 points in the biggest game of the year. I agree that James did not play well, but ulrimately the Colts should have been able to score more points against the PAtriots and their secondary. I think that with all his changes at the line, all he did in that game was confuse his own teammates. Just once, I would have liked him to come to the line and run a damn play. Once his style stopped working, he couldnt adjust to the game. Tom Brady on the other hand..Look in the Super Bowl, he played horrible in the 1st half and couldn't get anything done against the Eagles blitz. In the 2nd half, the team came out and adjusted and he looked straight at the blitz and made plays. He's a much better QB then people give him credit for. " Retort to that, your only comment was that atleast Peyton was not the one who got tired in the Super Bowl. This is a discussion between Manning and Brady, McNabb has nothing to do with it. But you, just cant focus on the topic and have to go back and bash DMac one more time. We all get it, you think he choked....move on</div> Hold on, i am a little tired I am going to have to have my reciever call the retort on this one.
