Best ROOKIE scorer/rebounder/passer at every position

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 8 2007, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont care how tall he is, if your able to put Roy at PG(which personally I wouldnt do on this list), he IS the better rebounder...despite size.</div>But the fact of the matter is that Brandon Roy is a 2-guard who can handle minutes at the 1. He is not going to be a point guard in this league. And again, if you've seen Rondo play you know he's an incredible rebounder for a guard.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody needs to watch Celtics games. Just like nobody needs to take cyanide tablets for breakfast every day. This is not biased at all, that isn't even an opinion, it's a fact. It's like saying Kobe Bryant wears #24, it's just a fact.</div>OK? :wtf1:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Btw, Pestilicance, CB32 was basically saying that Rondo should be on everyone's list not that it is a solid fact, he was uisng a figure of speech.</div>did you read my post? I was just making a jab at how bad the celts are. nothing new or controversial.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Apr 8 2007, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>did you read my post? I was just making a jab at how bad the celts are. nothing new or controversial.</div>I mis-read your post, thought u were jabbing him for saying that it was an opinion not a fact. My mistake.

 

CB32, I agree with that statement..but if somebody were deciding between Roy and Rondo for best rebounder...I would go with Roy.And ive always thought this, theres only one stat that tells the entire story...RPG. If you get it, you get it...theres no special way to get it...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 8 2007, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB32, I agree with that statement..but if somebody were deciding between Roy and Rondo for best rebounder...I would go with Roy.And ive always thought this, theres only one stat that tells the entire story...RPG. If you get it, you get it...theres no special way to get it...</div>Did you not read my post? RPG isn't everything when it comes to rebounding but let's go by the stats. (This is also in one of my previous posts earlier) Roy plays 13 more minutes a game yet only gets .6 more rebounds. That is just going into the stats, there's also the fact that Roy is bigger than Rondo and Rondo is more fundamentally sound at it.

 

a rebound is a rebound...it doesn't matter whos "fundamentaly sound".

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 8 2007, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>a rebound is a rebound...it doesn't matter whos "fundamentaly sound".</div>Actually it does, you may not get as many oppurtunities to rebound as another player and he will end up with more rebounds but you are more effective in grabbing the boards.You wanna go by the stats. I told you the statistics. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Roy plays 13 more minutes a game yet only gets .6 more rebounds.</div>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 8 2007, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB32, I agree with that statement..but if somebody were deciding between Roy and Rondo for best rebounder...I would go with Roy.And ive always thought this, theres only one stat that tells the entire story...RPG. If you get it, you get it...theres no special way to get it...</div>First of all, RPG most certainly does NOT tell the whole story. And second of all, even if you wanted to go by that:Brandon Roy: 4.3 rpgRajon Rondo as a starter: 5.8 rpg

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Apr 7 2007, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ScoringPG Marcus WilliamsSG Brandon RoySF Rudy GayPF Paul MillsapC GarbojaReboundingPG FarmarSG FoyeSF GayPF Millsap-should be an automatic here since he leads rookies in boardsC AlderidgePassingPG RandoSG The other guy from New York, his name escapes me at the momentSF GayPF ThomasC Barngani</div>OMFGWTFBBQ! No Bargs?!

 

ScoringPG Randy FoyeSG Brandon RoySF Rudy GayPF Lamarcus AldridgeC Andrea BargnaniReboundingPG Rajon RondoSG Brandon RoySF Tyrus ThomasPF Paul MillsapC Lamarcus AldridgePassingPG Rajon RondoSG Brandon RoySF Rudy GayPF Andrea BargnaniC Lamarcus Aldridge

 

Im looking at Roys and Rondos game logs right now of the latest games, and the rebounding numbers are about that same.But I still dont understand how a certain rebound is better than another. People praise that Kidds rebounds are good and all, which I agree, but its not like how a big man gets his rebound. A rebound is a rebound, theres not a better way to get it for a guard.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 8 2007, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im looking at Roys and Rondos game logs right now of the latest games, and the rebounding numbers are about that same.But I still dont understand how a certain rebound is better than another. People praise that Kidds rebounds are good and all, which I agree, but its not like how a big man gets his rebound. A rebound is a rebound, theres not a better way to get it for a guard.</div>Roy has the size advantage. Also me and Celticballa have showed you the stats through the season, Rondo has better numbers. Rondo gets alot fewer minutes than Roy and still only gets .6 fewer rebounds.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 8 2007, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im looking at Roys and Rondos game logs right now of the latest games, and the rebounding numbers are about that same.But I still dont understand how a certain rebound is better than another. People praise that Kidds rebounds are good and all, which I agree, but its not like how a big man gets his rebound. A rebound is a rebound, theres not a better way to get it for a guard.</div>First of all, don't base your "opinion" off stat lines and base it off watching them. Second of all, Rondo's rebounding numbers have definitely been higher than Roy's lately, and I don't even have to look at Roy's to know that. Third of all, there's more to a rebound than just grabbing the ball. It's timing, positioning, anticipation skills. Rondo is a better rebounder than Brandon Roy.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Apr 8 2007, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OMFGWTFBBQ! No Bargs?!</div>exactly..I don't like Bargnani personally but when you think of him you think of..great scorer and shooter..Dirk-like qualities

 

I understand thats more to rebouding than grabbing the ball, but the point is, Roy has rebounded just as much as Rondo. Stats DO tell everything when it comes to rebounding...except for tipouts. And I usually dont base my opinion off of stats, unless it comes to something like this...which is easily told by stats.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 8 2007, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I understand thats more to rebouding than grabbing the ball, but the point is, Roy has rebounded just as much as Rondo. Stats DO tell everything when it comes to rebounding...except for tipouts. And I usually dont base my opinion off of stats, unless it comes to something like this...which is easily told by stats.</div>9 times out of 10 I bet Rondo would rebound the ball if Roy was trying to box him outgive Rondo Roy's minutes and he averages about 2 more a game

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 8 2007, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I understand thats more to rebouding than grabbing the ball, but the point is, Roy has rebounded just as much as Rondo. Stats DO tell everything when it comes to rebounding...except for tipouts. And I usually dont base my opinion off of stats, unless it comes to something like this...which is easily told by stats.</div>Again, if you want to base it off stats, base it off when Rondo has actually gotten minutes. As a starter, Rondo gets 5.8 rpg, and he's averaging 8.0 in the last 5 games. Roy gets 4. So, you know how I dislike basing things off stats, but I had to prove the point there... if you DO want to base it off stats, Rondo gets the nod either way.And stats most certainly do NOT tell the whole story with rebounding. Example: Reggie Evans and Jeff Foster are each up there and are two of the top 10-15 rebounders in the NBA... yet they don't show up at the top of the RPG stats.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 7 2007, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>a rebound is a rebound...it doesn't matter whos "fundamentaly sound".</div>yeah it does.Example A) a player averages 10 rpg on the golden state warriorsExample a player averages 10 rpg on the 1962 warriorsExample C) a player averages 10 rpg on the indiana pacersthose are all very different things to do, with C being > than A which is > than B