Betting Odds Miller/Scoot at #2/#3

his shooting will still be an issue if he can't elevate his percentages and add some consistency

but the much bigger issue is a lack of left hand skills. I'm not sure I've seen a PG who has such a weak off-hand

 

Yep. That'll have to improve. If he can't improve those things he probably won't be our PG next time we're a top 10 team.

 

To a certain degree I guess, but I don't think any one player needs to initiate the offense every time, especially in crunch time. It is too easy to double those players. If Deni or Shae get the rebound (or even Banton) I want to see them pushing it and initiating the offense.

I am sure a few will complain that Ant is forcing Scoot to play off the ball, but it doesn't really matter who is on the floor with him (even Cooper Flagg) Scoot will still need to learn to play off the ball at times. Bringing the ball up the court and then handing it off to one of them is not really initiating the offense IMO. We always need to have 3 solid ball handlers on the court at all times....who can also create their own shot. (i.e like Boston has) Ideally, 4 if everyone's prayer is answered and we land the #1 pick.

 

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompam01.html

Amen is already a positive, productive player and one of the best defensive players in the league. In a off-ball role when the upside for picking him was to put him on-ball. Even if he never develops a shot, he's already a 20-25M per year level player.

Scoot is still trying not to be a negative most nights.

 

Scoot is going to be better initiating the offense than anybody else on the team. He already is.

It's not that he has to do it every time, it's that we should have him doing it every time something better (something easy) isn't available. And he needs as much experience doing that now as he can get.

If they double team him that means somebody is open. A good point guard will not have a problem with that. That is actually the goal of a good point guard. Whoever the defender leaves to double team him should be open (or cutting to get open) and receive the ball before the double team arrives.

 

Agree. But he needs experience in both scenarios, and I think that is happening.

 

FG%: Amen .544....Scoot .390
2ptFG%: Amen .610....Scoot .425
3ptFG%: Amen .190....Scoot .320
eFG%: Amen .557....Scoot .444
TS%: Amen .588....Scoot .493
FG% at rim: Amen .731....Scoot .515

PER: Amen 17.8....Scoot 10.1
winshares/48: Amen .157....Scoot -0.033
BPM: Amen +2.2....Scoot -5.3
VORP: Amen +2.4....Scoot -2.0

sure looks like Amen crushes Scoot as a shooter in every stat category except 3's. Even accounting for Scoot's advantage in three's, the gulf between the two in shooting efficiency is huge. I doubt shooting three's will never be a strength or much of a positive factor for Scoot.

by the way, Amen is a much better rebounder than either Deni or Camara. Now, the issue would be Amen + Camara + Avdija as a wing rotation. That's probably too much redundancy and not nearly enough elite offense

 

Scoot would be a different player under a different coach. One could argue a worse player, of course, but he would not be the same.

 

Do you think if Chauncey was Michael Jordan's first NBA coach, he would not have the impressive rookie season he had?

 

You don't think Amen's current value couldn't fetch a premiere shooter? He's one of the best wing defenders in the league. He's already finishing off games for a very good team. Let's not dog Amen just because we're rooting for Scoot.

 

Are you on drugs? Both statements are 100% fact

both shoot 40% and miller is def 1.5 years older

 

Sure he could fetch a premiere shooter, but can he fetch a premiere shooter who is also a good defender? That is who we need starting at SF.

I like Amen and when (and if) he becomes a good outside shooter he will be a really good player. He is so explosive, a great defender, and has great handles. He has all-star potential for sure.......if he improves his outside shot. But if he does not, then we are better off with Deni or Camara at SF. (and Scoot at PG)

I don't mind saying I am rooting against Amen, because missing out on him would be painful.

 

I'm sorry, but Tou is not a better player than Amen. And I love Tou. Deni and Amen are very similar in what they do for their teams.

 

I agree he is not better, just that we are better off having a 35% 3-point shooter than a 20% 3-point shooter. Granted Amen does other things that Camara can't, but right now Camara outweighs him by about 25 lbs and can cover both forward positions.

Having said all that it ultimately comes down to who fits in best with the other players on the floor.

 

Not sure these two things are related, as at this rate Scoot might be well past 30 when we're a top 10 NBA team.

 

That being the case he probably won't be our PG at that point...

 

I'd certainly rather have Amen over Camara, not sure why you think we're better off with Camara. Sure his 3pt shooting is better today but it's not like we're getting ready for a playoff push or care about wins or anything. Amen has the upside we were hoping Scoot would have.

I really like Camara, but he's just a clear role player - a tiny bit better version of Thybulle.