Big Three to Big One?

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  1. ppilot

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    Hyundai are actually very well built cars these days. I have driven the Sonata, Santa Fe, and the tucson and all three were very high quality and fun to drive
     
  2. Nate4Prez

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    I wouldn't go as far to say that Hyundai's are "very well" built cars, but I will certainly agree that Hyundai has gone further in the last ten years to remake their image, their product, and the their presence in the U.S. over the last 10 years then GM/Ford/Chrysler has over the last 20.

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    Just read this article on Yahoo! and for the first time I see a bailout I can stand behind.

    Key Points:
    1. GM stops the product overlap reducing all their products to just FOUR brands: Chevrolet, GMC, Buick, Cadillac (possibly leaving Pontiac as 'niche' or 'sports' brand)
    2. CEO Rick Wagoner agrees to work for $1 a year and top executives take massive pay cuts
    3. Immediately cease all corporate aircraft operations: Meaning company leaders would travel by commercial aircraft.
    4. Repay the loans by 2012
     
  3. AgentDrazenPetrovic

    AgentDrazenPetrovic Anyone But the Lakers

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    Hyundais have 10 year, 100,000 mile warranties I believe. which is great!

    I'd consider buying one on that fact alone.
     
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    http://usa.hyundai-motor.com/

    10 YEAR / 100,000 MILES
    POWERTRAIN PROTECTION Covers most engine & transaxle components.
    Covers repair or replacement of powertrain components (i.e. selected Engine and Transmission/Transaxle components), originally manufactured or installed by Hyundai that are defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance. Coverage applies to Original Owner only effective with 2004 Model Year and newer model year vehicles. On 1999-2003 Model Years, coverage applies to Original Owner and immediate family members (i.e. wife, husband, daughter, son, stepdaughter, stepson).

    Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5 year / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Excludes coverage for vehicles in commercial use (i.e. taxi, route delivery, delivery service, rental, etc.).
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    5 YEAR / 60,000 MILES
    NEW VEHICLE LIMITED WARRANTY Covers nearly every new vehicle component
    Covers repair or replacement of any component manufactured or originally installed by Hyundai that is defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance.

    Following components covered for time and mileage limits indicated:
    - Radio And Sound Systems (i.e. radio, cassette tape drive mechanism, and compact disc player): 3 years / 36,000 miles
    - Paint: 3 years/ 36,000 miles
    - Battery: 3 years / unlimited miles (100% covered 2 years / unlimited miles; after 2 years and within 3 years, 25% cost of battery and 100% labor cost covered)
    - Air Conditioner Refrigerant Charge: 1 year / unlimited miles
    - Adjustments: 1 year / 12,000 miles
    - Wear Items: 1 year / 12,000 miles (e.g. belts, brake pads & linings, clutch linings, filters, wiper blades, bulbs, fuses)
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    7 YEAR / UNLIMITED MILES
    ANTI-PERFORATION WARRANTY Covers rust-related corrosion of body sheet metal.
    Covers 7 years unlimited miles starting with 2005 Model Year (previously 5 year/100,00 Miles for 2004 and prior model years).

    Covers perforation (rust hole through the body panel from inside to outside) corrosion of original Hyundai body sheet metal due to defects in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance.

    Excludes surface corrosion
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    5 YEAR / UNLIMITED MILES
    24-HOUR ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE Covers towing (including accident-related), lock-out, flat tire, and battery failure.
    Covers vehicle, regardless if current owner is original or subsequent owner.

    Includes the following full roadside amenities:
    - Towing for inoperable disablements, including accidents
    - Battery jump starts
    - Change flat tire
    - Lock-out
    - Out of gas
    - Trip interruption

    *DISCLAIMER: Hyundai Motor America reserves the right to limit services or reimbursement to any owner or driver when, in Hyundai Motor America's judgment, the Claims are excessive in nature, frequency or type of occurrence.

    Hyundai Roadside Assistance Services are provided through Cross Country Motor Club, Inc., Medford, MA 02155, except in Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon, Wisconsin, and Wyoming, where services are provided through Cross Country Motor Club of California, Inc., Medford, MA 02155.

    Hyundai Motor America makes no guarantee or warranty regarding Cross Country Motor Club, Inc.'s or Cross Country Motor Club of California, Inc.'s service and is not liable for the actions of its employees, or subcontractors.

    EXCLUSIONS ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE is NOT A WARRANTY. For a description of the warranty covering your Hyundai, see the Hyundai New Vehicle Limited Warranty section of the Owner's Handbook. Roadside Assistance is a limited service, provided to you to help minimize any unforeseen vehicle operation inconvenience.

    The Hyundai Roadside Assistance Program does not include reimbursement for any costs/charges for repairs, parts, labor, property loss or any other expense incurred as a result of accident/collision, vehicle abuse, racing, vandalism or other items not covered by the Hyundai New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Also excluded are services for snow tires, repair to studs, mounting or demounting of snow chains, and any fines, fees or taxes associated with impound towing as a result of any actual or alleged violation of any law or regulation.

    Off-roading is not covered. To receive service, the vehicle must be accessible from a publicly maintained road.
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    12 MONTH / 12,000 MILES
    REPLACEMENT PARTS AND ACCESSORY LIMITED WARRANTY
    Covers repair or replacement of any Hyundai Genuine Replacement Parts or Accessory supplied by Hyundai that is defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance.

    Genuine Hyundai Parts or Accessories supplied by Hyundai and purchased from an authorized Hyundai Dealer, but not installed by an authorized Hyundai Dealer, are covered for 12 months / unlimited miles.

    Accessories installed on a vehicle at the time of or prior to the vehicle's date of first use, are covered under the 5 year / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

    Accessories installed after the vehicle's date of first use are covered for 12 months / 12,000 miles.
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    8 YEAR / 80,000 MILES
    FEDERAL EMISSION AND PERFORMANCE WARRANTY
    Covers repair or replacement of the following original Hyundai major emissions control components that cause the vehicle to fail to conform to an applicable EPA approved Inspection/Maintenance Program:

    1) Catalytic Converter
    2) Engine Control Module
    3) Onboard Emissions Diagnostic Device (OBDII)

    Other EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) emissions warranty parts are covered under the 5 years / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
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    7 YEAR / 70,000 MILES
    CALIFORNIA EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM WARRANTY


    That's just fucking great.
     
  5. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    Good luck. As a long time claims adjustor, the stories I can tell you about Hyundai and their warranty.

    There's a sucker born every minute.
     
  6. Nate4Prez

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    DONT IGNORE MY POST! lol

    Just read this article on Yahoo! and for the first time I see a bailout I can stand behind.

    Key Points:
    1. GM stops the product overlap reducing all their products to just FOUR brands: Chevrolet, GMC, Buick, Cadillac (possibly leaving Pontiac as 'niche' or 'sports' brand)
    2. CEO Rick Wagoner agrees to work for $1 a year and top executives take massive pay cuts
    3. Immediately cease all corporate aircraft operations: Meaning company leaders would travel by commercial aircraft.
    4. Repay the loans by 2012
     
  7. AgentDrazenPetrovic

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    Nope. Let them work it on their own. No government bailouts!
     
  8. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    #1 shows just how screwed up they are. How many brands does Honda have? Two: Honda and Acura. Toyota? 2. Nissan? 2. Why? Because it makes marketing and manufacturing simpler and cheaper. You have "rich guy vehicles" and "vehicles for everybody else." I'm supposed to be impressed that GM can whittle it down to four? Yeesh.

    #2 and #3 are really irrelevant PR moves. I have no confidence that they will cause GM to be run intelligently. The fact that they took this long to come up with these obvious PR moves (and only after being humiliated on capitol hill) is one more demonstration of how incompetent that management is.

    #4 immediately makes me ask, "Repay the loans by 2012 or else what?" We loan them even more money to push them along until 2014, when they really better repay those loans?

    Nothing here sounds like a better plan than, "Let them die and have smart companies pick over the carcasses."

    If you were responsible for making sure Americans had a thriving car manufacturing industry that produced quality, innovative vehicles, who would you choose to manage it:
    A. GM and the US Congress
    B. Honda, Toyota and Nissan.

    It's not a tough question.
     
  9. AgentDrazenPetrovic

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    The Chevrolet Filibuster!
     
  10. andalusian

    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    First - GM and Ford have been making pretty reliable cars for quite some time now.

    http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008115

    Second - Toyota has 3 brands, not two - Toyota, Lexus and Scion. Of course they also own a lot of stock in Subaru and in their home market they also have part ownership of Daihatsu and if memory serves - they also have an exclusive brand called "Prince" there (or maybe it is Nissan, can't really remember).

    I do not disagree that GM really needs to go down to 3 brands - Chevrolet, Cadillac and maybe a small sporty one - they can call it Pontiac or whatever they want.

    Three - the Chevy Volt program is actually very inspiring and takes the next logical step from the Hybrids we have seen from Toyota and Honda - so there is some innovation happening there.

    The problems GM had are not creating pretty good product (which they had this decade) or selling it - it is making money on said product sold - and the issue there is not just poor management and a dealership network that is too big - it is also the additional cost they have over Toyota/Honda and most other non-US manufacturers - and that they have the UAW and CAW contracts that add around $2K price per car. They need to get big changes in these contracts if they have any chance of being competitive.
     

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