Well I guess you can give Jordan credit for proving that you do not need a dominant post player to win Championships.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheAnalyst @ Jan 2 2007, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well I guess you can give Jordan credit for proving that you do not need a dominant post player to win Championships.</div>That's my point. When you look at recent NBA championship teams, or actually EVER, they all have dominant post players, except for Jordan's team. You know how huge that is? That means a lot less open shots. Down low was pretty weak on Jordan's squads. Dennis Rodman was "meh", all he could do was pretty much rebound..if Jordan had Shaq, or Duncan, he would have won 10.
Julius Erving, Michael Jordan, Young Shaq, Isiah Thomas. Alot of NBA players have said a couple from the list that they encourage them to reach to that level.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That's my point. When you look at recent NBA championship teams, or actually EVER, they all have dominant post players, except for Jordan's team. You know how huge that is? That means a lot less open shots. Down low was pretty weak on Jordan's squads. Dennis Rodman was "meh", all he could do was pretty much rebound..if Jordan had Shaq, or Duncan, he would have won 10.</div>First of all, I wouldn't consider Dennis Rodman 'MEH." He averaged 18 rebounds per game in a season and was one of the most tenacious defenders in league history. On offense, he certainly was no Ben Wallace either. I already brought up the example of Rick Barry's Warriors who didn't have a dominant post player.j And if Rodman is just "meh," than the recent Detroit Pistons did it without one, because Rodman was better than Ben.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 2 2007, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jordan. He showed that a GUARD CAN WIN championships by themselves. Never has happened before, and since him, it's yet to happen.</div>That's not right at all, he was on LOADED championship teams. Those were teams that could make push's in the playoffs and be championship contender teams without Michael Jordan. Scottie Pippen was just as important to that team as Michael Jordan was, without him, that team does not win 6 NBA titles. As for the big man theory, that is just a bit off. In the first set of championship run's he had Horace Grant who played tough defense man to man defense down low, was a big time banger that could control the boards, and could get you points in the paint. One the second championship team he had Rodman who played tough defense down low, and controlled the boards.
I'm talking offensive side of the ball. I wasn't saying he didn't have good post defenders, but downlow he didn't have a guy like Shaq, Duncan, or Garnett who could put up 25 ppg, AND defend. Rodmen was a good defender and great rebounder, and Grant was good as well at that side, but no one was putting up 25 ppg, AND defending the low post. I still believe, and this I guess is just my opinion, that no other guard would have won six NBA titles with just a very good swingman on their team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 3 2007, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm talking offensive side of the ball. I wasn't saying he didn't have good post defenders, but downlow he didn't have a guy like Shaq, Duncan, or Garnett who could put up 25 ppg, AND defend. Rodmen was a good defender and great rebounder, and Grant was good as well at that side, but no one was putting up 25 ppg, AND defending the low post. I still believe, and this I guess is just my opinion, that no other guard would have won six NBA titles with just a very good swingman on their team.</div>Maybe not six titles, but I think if you switch Michael Jordan with one of the other good shooting guards in the league at that time, that you still have a team that wins atleast two or three titles with those Bulls teams. They was not just Michael Jordan a good swingman in Pippen, and those other guys running around. Those were very good teams that Michael Jordan played on. That can be evidenced by the fact, the one full season he didn't play that Bulls team still won 55 games, went to the second round and played the Knicks to a very, very tough 7 game series. That Knicks team made it out of the East that year, so obviously the Bulls were a team that could contend and make playoff pushes with his starting spot being filled by Pete Myers who was a CBA player the year before he was called up to replace Jordan's starting spot.
