Bill simmons pick for mvp [Wade]

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  1. The Lefty

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 25 2006, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He is their main scorer, most dependable scorer, and playmaker. He is also their best player.He was in his rookie year, and last year. Against good defenses, Wade is terrible? He had the last 17 points against Pistons a few weeks ago, including game winner. Throws up horrible shots? His FG% is 50%. And don't talk about throwing up bad shots or throwing bad passes when you have Kobe in your signature.You obviously watch no Heat games. Wade has one of the best midrange jumpshots for a swingman in the league. He can drive it into the lane. You seem to think it is a bad thing, although that is probably because he is averaging a much better FG % than Kobe. His numbers, by the way, are 27.6 PPG (on 50% shooting), 6.8 APG, 5.7 RPG, with 3.5 TO's per game. If you think that is a bad number as main playmaker, Kobe had over 4 TO's per game last year, and 3.1 TO's per game this year as primarily a scorer!Hypocrite.</div>Well, first of all we are talking about THIS YEAR. Who cares if he played PG last year or the year before. THIS YEAR. and after I saw what I bolded ^^^ I quit reading...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Mar 26 2006, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, first of all we are talking about THIS YEAR. Who cares if he played PG last year or the year before. THIS YEAR. and after I saw what I bolded ^^^ I quit reading...</div>This year he is still playmaker. Not quite PG, but main playmaker.Of course you quit reading, becasue you know I am right. Your statements of Wade were ridiculous, and hypocritical as you love Kobe so much.
     
  3. KMart?

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    Wade's jumpshot is vastly overrated. The reason people say it is so good is because it's the only thing he shoots. Anything outside of 18 feet for him is still inconsistent, and anything 22 feet out is virtually unmakable. For example, I checked back on ESPN.com and checked Miami's shot chart when he scored 40 Poitns against Washington. In the First Quarter, he was 1 - 4 from 15+ Feet. 2nd Quarter, he was 0-1 from 15 Ft+ feet, 3rd Quarter he didn't even shoot from the outside, and in the 4th Quarter he was 0-1. He went 1-6 from 15+ feet that game. In the next 2 games he went 7 - 15 from 15+ feet, most of those within 20 feet. That isn't a great jumper right there. That isn't the best midrange jumper in the league as most say.While those 15 Foot Jumper numbers aren't horible by any stretch, they certaintly don't warrant him as a great mid range jumpshooter, something he gets much too much credit for
     
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    Look, guys, Simmons is an idiot.It's between Nash and Dirk.
     
  5. Nitro1118

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Mar 26 2006, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wade's jumpshot is vastly overrated. The reason people say it is so good is because it's the only thing he shoots. Anything outside of 18 feet for him is still inconsistent, and anything 22 feet out is virtually unmakable. For example, I checked back on ESPN.com and checked Miami's shot chart when he scored 40 Poitns against Washington. In the First Quarter, he was 1 - 4 from 15+ Feet. 2nd Quarter, he was 0-1 from 15 Ft+ feet, 3rd Quarter he didn't even shoot from the outside, and in the 4th Quarter he was 0-1. He went 1-6 from 15+ feet that game. In the next 2 games he went 7 - 15 from 15+ feet, most of those within 20 feet. That isn't a great jumper right there. That isn't the best midrange jumper in the league as most say.While those 15 Foot Jumper numbers aren't horible by any stretch, they certaintly don't warrant him as a great mid range jumpshooter, something he gets much too much credit for</div>It is a little overrated, but still best in league for a star swingman. Most of the reason is because he is smart with his shots, and only takes makable one and not over triple teams. And again, for a swingman to average 28PPG on 50% shooting is pretty damn impressive, no matter how bad his 18ft+ jumpshot is. .
     
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    Exactly. Wade is an incredible talent, one who I would put at 7th or 8th in the league. However alot of people say he's top 5, better than LeBron, Kobe, AI... etc.My top 10 list (When healthy) would be: 1) Tim Duncan (Greatest PF Ever, Winner supreme)2) Kobe Bryant ( Best overall skills)3) Shaquille O' Neal (Still more invaluable than anyone)4) Tracy McGrady ( 2nd best overall skill)5) LeBron James (4th best overall skill, just not yet a winner of any sorts)6) Allen Iverson ( 5th best overall skill, best at getting to the rim, clutch as heck, but can't win even though teams are normally garbage)7) Dwayne Wade ( 6th best overall skill, but no jumper and one sided offensive game)8) Kevin Garnett (3rd best overall skill, but somehow can't lead a decent team to a playoff berth)9) Steve Nash (Best pure team player)10) Paul Pierce (Incredibly efficient, 7th best overall skill in the league)
     
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    Nice top 10, very similar to mine. It is impossible to really do a top 10, as each season players are up and down. But my top 10 would go like this:1) Kobe Bryant- Things he is doing this seaosn just can't be overlooked. 2) Tim Duncan- A winner. Period.3) Tracy McGrady (when healthy)- If he could just get his team past first round, he'd be my #1.4) LeBron James- 30/7/7....nasty. He has proven this year he can be a winner, and is starting to show signs of being good clutch player.5) Allen iverson- I don't care what people say about his TO's or shooting percentage, guy is clutch and does what he can to win.6) Dwyane Wade- Like LeBron, a triple threat. Very clutch player, shows signs of great defense, and very efficient.7) Amare Stoudemire (when healthy)- A beast. If he was healthy all this year, he'd be in my top 5. 8) Steve Nash- Top 2 PG in league, but is on team where he is showcasing amazing ability. Great player.9) Kevin Garnett- Overrated and still can't win. Nontheless, still a 25/14 threat any given night.10) Paul Pierce- As you said, efficient and great scorer.
     
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    This is getting sillyKevin garnett is better than Amare stoudemire. Amare's offensive game is nice, Kg when he's not being a <Censored> has a good one also. Defense? Amare can play defense? That is why he let a one leg Duncan drop like 30 on him.Kg's still the better player.
     
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    I would just like to congradulate nittro for pulling the most retarded reasons for wade being good out of his <Censored>. Oh yeah and if anyone has Amare on the top 10 list.....your retarded.Man....I just found a lot of retards......
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Mar 28 2006, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Defense? Amare can play defense? That is why he let a one leg Duncan drop like 30 on him.</div>Just pointing this out... but Amare, despite a lack of defense against Duncan, averaged 40 ppg in that series.Garnett is a superstar... but he's falling off the radar because of his team's lack of success. Heads-up, I'd give the advantage to KG over Amare at this point... but Amare will easily surpass KG one day because of KG's inability to win in the playoffs.
     
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    All these guys are so good you can interchange most of that top 10 and it would make sense.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Mar 26 2006, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly. Wade is an incredible talent, one who I would put at 7th or 8th in the league. However alot of people say he's top 5, better than LeBron, Kobe, AI... etc.My top 10 list (When healthy) would be: 1) Tim Duncan (Greatest PF Ever, Winner supreme)2) Kobe Bryant ( Best overall skills)3) Shaquille O' Neal (Still more invaluable than anyone)4) Tracy McGrady ( 2nd best overall skill)5) LeBron James (4th best overall skill, just not yet a winner of any sorts)6) Allen Iverson ( 5th best overall skill, best at getting to the rim, clutch as heck, but can't win even though teams are normally garbage)7) Dwayne Wade ( 6th best overall skill, but no jumper and one sided offensive game)8) Kevin Garnett (3rd best overall skill, but somehow can't lead a decent team to a playoff berth)9) Steve Nash (Best pure team player)10) Paul Pierce (Incredibly efficient, 7th best overall skill in the league)</div>I'd have to agree with that list.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ Mar 28 2006, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would just like to congradulate nittro for pulling the most retarded reasons for wade being good out of his <Censored>. Oh yeah and if anyone has Amare on the top 10 list.....your retarded.Man....I just found a lot of retards......</div>Wade is extremely efficient, a playmaker, and can play average defense. His midrange game is also very efficient, to go along with his driving ability and ability to get to free throw line. He is also clutch and has shown he can carry teams through playoffs.So how is it stupid, and how am I pulling it out of my <Censored>?As for my list, KG over past 2 years has strayed away from game. he is not nearly as agressive, takes jump shots only, and defensively not what he used to be. Last year Amare played better than any PF in the league (and dropped 37PPG on TD in playoffs).
     
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    You guys claim that Wade is one-dimensional, yet no one has yet to figure out how to slow Wade down. You pretty much have to hope he has a bad shooting night.
     

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