OT Black Man In Minnesota Dies After Cop Kneels On His Neck/ Portland Riots

I appreciate your responses. That said, what's to prevent ANY Black person from having the mindset that they are going to make things better for themselves than their parents (or whomever) had it? Conversely, if they're being pushed down by the so-called "man"...and unable to better themselves? That's the question that needs to be addressed. What are those situations? Where are they existing? Who are the players that can effect change? Real change. Model communities might emerge. What then? To me, this is a grass-roots thing. Not a global mandate.

 

I found this interesting:

https://www.amnesty.org.au/tell-someone-love-theyre-racist/

 

Thanks for being the arbiter.

 

Where you posting it for us? How to talk to ABM when...

 

Sure, yeah, Mr. Global Moderator. Yrrrrright.

Take some lessons from Minstrel. He'd be a great mentor for you.

 

I was going by "but I think it's also undeniable that the problems are much larger than that."

I don't think anyone has suggested that, though.

 

It's not an either/or. Like most problems in society, it's best to have both a bottom-up (grassroots, if you want to call it that) and a top-down (government crafting policy that makes it easier for certain communities to emerge from oppression) approach.

The protests are part of the grass roots movement. And they're putting pressure on government to do their part.

 

Presumably he left it out because it's a silly number to use as a counter-argument. Black communities are policed much more heavily than white communities (and always have been, before you claim that this is a response to what criminals black people are) so even if both communities committed crimes at the same rate, the black community would see more arrests. In addition, many crimes committed disproportionately by white people (like so-called "white collar crime") are rarely actually criminalized.

 

My one problem with this is if the government already failed. Why are many looking for a larger government in order to fix the failures? I'm of the mindset, a larger government will only fail on a larger scale.

Meaning( and someone aimed at the socialist point of view) If we feel like the government hasn't handled things well up to this point, why would we want to put them in more control of more of our money and policies?

I think we should scale back on government, have them prove they can successfully manage the limited requirements they have and then add more to their responsibilities of the people once they prove they can be efficient and successful. Until then, I have no desire to give them more control over more things that affect my life.

 

I meant that in the sense that racism is one part of a set of problems. I would agree that it's likely the most significant problem, but even if eliminated entirely, people would still be poor, there still would be drugs, there still would be gangs and crime.

Not explicitly, perhaps, but the calls for defunding the police seem to imply that the perception is that institutional racism among the police is THE major source of the problem. A major problem, yes. THE problem, no.

 

I do understand the up/down of it. How do you mandate, though? I think real progress will come from the ground up. Look at MLK. Was he out there mandating stuff? Yet, virtually every major city in the US has a street that bears his name. How do he do that?!? His message was one of change through peace and interaction. More of us should take heed.

 

I think the reason is because it something that can be changed completely. I think its at the spearpoint because its something tangible that people can see and witness.

 

I don't mean this personally, but that's because this issue doesn't affect you. It's a lot easier to say "leave government out of it" when you're not being actively harmed. Government hasn't "already failed." Government policies protecting voting rights, banning employment discrimination, housing discrimination, segregation, etc, have made huge differences in society. The idea that everything would be the same, or better, if government hadn't gotten involved is totally contradicted by history. Government has done negative things too, but when a society is racist, either overtly or implicitly, there's no remedy by the oppressed class--they have no power. The only remedy is government action to preserve or create rights that mitigate racists, or racist systems.

 

when did you start occupying areas and tearing down communities? you don't want to address racism apparently because progress is a long process after 400 years of abuse....you should read Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu.....apartheid is ugly You forgot the other two black Trumpettes…..Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas