Black People can't be racist

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  1. riverman

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    It's my story bro...I've vented about it since the 1970s...we are here to discuss police problems, racial issues or whatever and I've stated my outrage about that case. Why is this taken out of context? How many times do I need to agree with your point? You are attempting to make my perspective invalid because of my race. Think about that.
     
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    I know what it means. My wife is Chinese and knows it refers to chaos. If you wait for a bus in China, there's no organized line, it's a mass of people looking at the door and moving towards it ignoring the crowd, traffic operates the same way and that's where the term comes from
     
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    Sigh... Your perspective is the "All lives matter" version. I'm just telling you how it sounds. Nobody is making your perspective invalid...
     
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    What? I find your answer offensive.

    Who set you on a pedestal to make decisions if I know the meaning of the term, or where it originated. Many words and phrases have related and multiple meanings.
     
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    dviss...I think it's healthier for society and our children if we just make conversations one on one instead of team sports. I don't like to identify my perspective with
    a group's version of the subject. When I read, all lives matter, I don't think of it as a platform but just a statement to which I think..yeah, they do all matter.
     
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    Yes but when the answer to the statement "Black live matter" is met with "All lives matter" it's like pouring water on a house that's not burning while the other one next to it is on fire.

    Imagine that you’re sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don’t get any. So you say “I should get my fair share.” And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, “everyone should get their fair share.” Now, that’s a wonderful sentiment — indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad’s smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn’t solve the problem that you still haven’t gotten any!

    The problem is that the statement “I should get my fair share” had an implicit “too” at the end: “I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else.” But your dad’s response treated your statement as though you meant “only I should get my fair share”, which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that “everyone should get their fair share,” while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.
     
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    Does this need green font? I'm confused. How is my answer offensive? Because I said it sounds racist? No one is calling you racist but that statement does to me. Why are you offended? I'm confused...
     
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    I thought he asked a valid question about the term Chinese fire drill and then you confronted his intention and suggested he erase the term..I didn't understand why you did that either. Actually Chinese issues are rarely talked about in relationship to racism. I've always wondered why they are not part of the conversation.
     
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    You're creating reasons to be offended. Go back and read riverman's post again, and try to understand what he was actually trying to convey. It wasn't at all "white people get harassed too." It was much more, "California cops are SO aggressive, they'll even harass white people on occasion."

    And yes, you are minimizing his experience by suggesting that him sharing it (and showing empathy, as you demand from all white people) is somehow dismissing BLM.
     
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    You made a faulty assumption about what I know, you belittled me.

    By ignoring my response about what I know in your last response above, and then twisting it to a racist subject, you made my response unimportant, which further belittled me.

    Your two belittling responses are a form of emotional abuse (Your starting to sound like Trump). You need to work on that if you want people to take you seriously. You can not abuse people in your fight to correct racism, (which I support).

    Are you going for the third strike, or, have you learned what you are doing to offend others in some of your posts?
     
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    This is a bad analogy. This is assuming that the house next door is not on fire at all, and that is not the case. Law enforcement is a concern all over the country. When someone says, "all lives matter," they are essentially saying that their house is on fire too. Why should one house burning be more important or significant than another house burning?
     
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    Yeah dviss I gotta be honest with you. You come accross as dismissing most white males opinions and thoughts on the matter or anything to do with race. The truth is, most white people are ignorant to thse day to day things (not just males, I know plenty of women that feel the same way). The fact is most white people, especially millenials, are all about diversity and people nice to people regardless of race. Just because we don't think about racial things everyday doesn't make it that we don't care. I feel like youve done a great job bringing certain perspectives to my mind that I previously don't really think about, like the videos you posted talking about the cashier incident. Truth is, most white people are ignorant to some of these things going on because they don't experience them day to day and have no idea what it's like walking in a minorities shoes.

    I'm sure it gets annoying reading the constant ignorant remarks and downright racist remarks everyday. But I really enjoy hearing about your perspective, you're good at getting people to think about different perspectives. so thanks for that
     
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    Sigh... Have some empathy going forward. That's all we want. We simply don't get it... I get told that your opinions don't matter. No one ever said or insinuated that. Why would I be debating with White males about race (ONLY Black person in here) if I didn't value your opinions. Obviously mine isn't valued...
     
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    OK guys in the future DON'T FUCKING TALK ABOUT RACE IF YOU DON'T WANT THE SOLE BLACK PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE.

    I'm done debating race with White males...
     
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    Jesus...
     
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    but when you do get it from riverman, you denigrate it
    You insinuate that all the time--you just refuse to see or acknowledge our perspective on what you say to us.
    So you can tell us how wrong we are about everything race-related, and set yourself up as the higher authority to whom we should all bow.
    Your opinions are unique, important, and are absolutely valued, when you show the same respect you demand. It's not that complicated.
     
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    Huh? Your opinion is valued. I just told you that I appreciate your thoughts and discussions. Sometimes it just comes across that you devalue white male opinions. Ignorance isn't a valid excuse for racism, but you can't change the world in a second. As I said, most millenual white people are all about diversity and treating everyone equal. Many of us do have empathy, we just don't show it day to day because we like to think the world is a better place than some of the atrocities that happen.
     
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    nah..most folks here have posted that your perspective is important and we all have life experiences that add value to these threads. I don't believe you are the only black person here..Jabari Young just posted here yesterday I believe but if race is important it's equally unimportant if we get it right. I've spent 20 years in a country where I was vastly in the minority and learned a lot from that experience. It's even more eye opening when the locals don't know you speak the language and talk about you assuming you don't understand them. Sometimes it's hilarious.
     
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    Sigh................................
     
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    Group hug
     
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