Blake's 71.4 win percentage leads team.

The idea is to win games, isn't it?

Last time I checked, the team with the highest PER in their starting line-up doesn't get a trophy for it at the end of the year.

 

Man, you really don't understand the game if you think that all Blake is good for is shot making.

Dude, we were 8-3 with Outlaw. 6-6 since he went down. Outlaw is a VERY valuable part of this team. His defense is underrated. And his ability to play the 4 allows us to be effective when LMA plays the 5. When Outlaw went down and with Batum already out, we lost a LOT of our athleticism and became an easier team to beat.

 

These stats are pretty much worthless, there are a million ways you can look at it, and it would take hours at least to do a proper study...

 

So "playing with others on the team" lowers their win% 17 points (Roy vs. Blake) and 11 points (LMA)? You actually just made an argument for Blake to get MORE PT, not less.

/re-open thread

 

I'd argue that your analyzing of the stats was rather worthless, and not the actual stats.

 

Exactly. That argument means that the "others on the team" are worse than Blake.

 

Do me a favor and tell me what he does good for the team when he isn't making his shots?

And we all know what a cluster fuck it is when LMA plays the center position. Do you remember the last couple of games where Greg and Joel were on the bench (before Oden got injured) and LMA was center? We got obliterated on the boards, because neither LMA nor Outlaw rebound well.

Athleticism doesnt mean shit when the player isnt playing well; Outlaw has tons of it, but he doesnt consistently PLAY WELL. that's the problem. He's been playing for what 5 years now and is still his same inconsistent self?

 

Nate and Monte have both mentioned missing Outlaws defense as well as his scoring. But they know nothing, right?

I really like how some people hone in on a certain players deficiencies and ignore others. Roy plays crappy defense(that Golden State game he refused to play any defense) and Aldridge is Mr. Kleenex.

When I start to think about it, everyone sucks according to someone. Our whole team sucks.

 

He's the best defender the team has at the PG position. Also, his shot hasn't been falling all year, so the title of this thread should tell you what Blake does well when his shot isn't falling.

 

The problem, as I mentioned before, is this reflects more winning possesions than an overall effect on the game resulting in wins. How does someone lead the team in win%, yet is only 7th in win shares? it doesn't differentiate his impact on the floor to get that win%.

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Meanwhile, Battier is second to last on his team in win%, but is second on the team in win shares, probably reflecting more his true value to his team.

 

You can ignore Roy and LMA's deficiencies because they actually offer us something on the other end of the floor. That's the point people are trying to make here I think.

Blake's deficiencies are not being made up anywhere.

 

During the 13 game win streak, we played our best basketball in the 4th quarter with the this lineup- Jack, Roy, Jones, Outlaw, LMA

As for Outlaw, while he doesn't get a lot of rebounds, his jumping ability allows him to get to key rebounds at key points in the game. He spreads the floor with his ability to shoot the three whether he is making them or not. His defense is underrated and he is also a good shotblocker in key situations. Most of all, his ability play both the SF and PF positions makes us more versatile as a team. Our two biggest weaknesses right now are SF and backup PF, incidentally what Outlaw does best. And that is why we have been struggling without him.

 

Dang, where was his defense last year when Brooks absolutely torched him. Didn't Deron torch Blake this year? (cant remember...)

If we're trying to fool ourselves into thinking Blake plays good defense based on that rating so far, I think were blind.

 

I see no value in Blake playing. I'm pissed because Miller wasn't given a chance and I'm not going to forgive Roy until he proves he is about the team and not his numbers.

What I argue is that Travis is valuable but never given any credit here.

 

I'm not arguing about his ability when he is playing well, my main point was he is so inconsistent for a 5 year player (including this year) that I believe he isn't that good of a player. If he was consistent, I would reverse my opinion immediately.

 

It may be true that Blake helps Roy and Aldridge perform better...or he may be true he is just riding their coattails, which is what I'm inclined to believe. The point is there is no way to prove it one way or the other. These stats are useless. Especially when his supposed "win percentage" matches so closely with the exact amount of time he spends on the court with them.

20 games or whatever we've played so far is not enough of a sample size...and our other PG's have not had the same opportunity that Blake has had.

 

Players have individual DRTGs that are their points per 100 possesions given up. It's not off of the team's DRTG.