Blazer "dealing with rejection" in GM search

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  1. RR7

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    Are there guys we can get who are not aging?
     
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    We'd probably have to throw in Nolan Smith as a sweetener.
     
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    Sam Amick ‏ @sam_amick

    Source says the mystery man who interviewed with Portland owner Paul Allen in Portland last week was former New Orleans GM Jeff Bower.

    ew
     
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    I thought he interviewed somebody today?
     
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    Jeff Bower... Meh. I think this franchise needs a GM that has an eye for talent in the draft. Over the years its our best route to putting together a formidable squad.
     
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    In my thread about our scouts the draft picks from 2001-2011 have been atrocious outside a few.
     
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    It hasn't really been as atrocious as you have hammered on about the past few weeks, but whatever.

    Bower....His draft picks...Hilton Armstrong(12), Cedric Simmons(15), Julian wright(13), Darren Collison(21), Craig Brackins(21), Quincy Pondexter(26).
    Awful. And I can't really figure out what he was going for on many of them. You can usually see oh, a guy took a risk on upside and missed, ok. Or he took a risk on low ceiling high floor, to play it safe with a pick. Ok. He.....??? I dunno. Just took players that aren't very good. Had minimal upside(I guess Wright's upside was thought to be ok, but watching him should have told you otherwsie) and minimal skill. There's just not a lot there to get excited about, IMO.
     
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    Collison was a great pick and then he fizzled out.

    As a starter he was nearly a 20/10 PG when CP3 was out with injury -- went to Indy and now he's very mediocre.

    This is what kinda scares me about Dragic -- is he legit or a flash in the pan?
     
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    ^Kinda' how Calderon was the next best thing on this board just 2 summers ago.
     
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    And not surprisingly, Bower it was
     
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    Bower's draft history with the Hornets:

    2003- David West, James Lang
    2005- Chris Paul, Brandon Bass
    2006- Hilton Armstrong, Cedric Simmons, Marcus Vinicius
    2007- Julian Wright, Adam Haluska
    2008- Darrell Arthur
    2009- Darren Collison
    2010- Cole Aldrich (traded)

    I'd say good, not great. He drafted Chris Paul who basically fell in his lap. Brandon Bass was a solid pick where he was chosen. West and Collison were solid picks.

    I'd say solid, but not spectacular draft resume.
     
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    That's not a bad draft history though. Better than Warkentien I think.
     
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    LMAO!!! How is Wark, the Assistant GM, getting the credit/blame for the Blazers drafting, while Bower, who was the GM, gets the credit for the Hornets? How about the Blazers GM? Makes no sense.
     
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    That's like blaming Bernie Bickerstaff for the Blazers performance this season, whereas most franchises, the fans blame the head coach.
     
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    Darrell Arthur was drafted by Bower but immediately sold to KP/Paul Allen, who then used Arthur as a part of the deal with Memphis that landed Batum.

     
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    Isn't everyone in the world aging?
    Some have just progressed further along that road than others.
     
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  17. Natebishop3

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    Because he was the chief talent evaluator. He didn't always get his way, but there were a few that were definitely his picks.
     
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    The same could quite possibly be said about Bower then - he may well have had someone under him calling the shots. So we can't knowingly judge Bower on his picks then.

    Comparing our Asst. GM performance to another team's GM's performance is comparing apples to oranges.
     
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    I don't think it's as clear cut as apples to oranges. More like Fiji Apples compared to Golden Delicious apples. They both work in a front office, and ultimately we have no idea who makes the final call. Sometimes it's even the owner, as Paul pointed out with Aldridge, Sergio, and Patty. We can only look at a team's track record while that person was employed there, and Warkentien was THE guy when it came to evaluating talent on the Blazers. Ultimately it's why he left, because the team didn't take Al Jefferson (the guy he wanted) and instead took Sebastian Telfair.
     
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    Yeah, you do never know who makes the final call. Which is exactly my point.

    You have to look at the body of work, the resources provided, and how the team performed. He built a decent team in NOH, one that would have been much stronger if not for injuries. While I don't get overly excited about Bower, I think we could do much worse (and he's better than what we currently have in place).
     
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