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Because Evan Turner would've made those teams not garbage, got it.

 

Oh no....

 

Shouldve never been a problem in the first place.

 

Nope. I’m saying Lin’s stats are not so relevant in a comparison of the players cuz he plays on shit teams.

 

The gap between him and Turner is much bigger than any difference in team ability could create.

 

Nah

 

I disagree. I think Lin's offensive side of the ball = Turner defense, and vice versa. Looking at their BPM for this season shows that reverse.

 

is it just me or is it kind of sad we're debating the merits of Turner vs Lin?

 

Super sad but it comes with the territory when you’re a Blazer fan and early February is approaching.

 

Very sad....but those are the types of cost saving, non-needle moving deals NeO makes.

 

It's a small debate amongst many others the forum has had, general eb and flow on whose name is out there. Theres been plenty of discussion on kevin love, Blake Griffin, Aaron Gordon, etc.

 

I wake up. Half of the league are FAs, and there is a very small handful who has cap space to spend, and one of those few teams target Jake Effing Layman. Could happen, but VERY unlikely.

That being said, I do agree that there is trouble in paradise, and we'll use our pick somehow to improve our salary situation.

 

this isn't to dispute you but rather a suggestion that it may be more than a handful of teams with cap-space:

109 million cap

Utah Jazz $94,369,903
New Orleans Pelicans $88,958,747
Orlando Magic $83,070,242
Milwaukee Bucks $78,382,242
Phoenix Suns $77,277,104
Chicago Bulls $73,804,427
Philadelphia 76ers $71,723,127
Los Angeles Lakers $67,464,656
New York Knicks $60,890,563
Los Angeles Clippers $60,302,950
Indiana Pacers $60,196,141
Atlanta Hawks $55,509,270
Brooklyn Nets $54,348,839
Dallas Mavericks $51,786,163
Sacramento Kings $50,265,102

that's half the league. Now, I haven't looked at every team to see if there are likely cap-holds that would eliminate some of those teams. For instance, Utah is about 15M under the projected cap, but over when counting Rubio's cap-hold and the 1st round pick. There are also 9-10 other teams that will have enough room for a full MLE. It may be that 20 or more teams would have at least 9M to spend this summer, and many will have 2-5 times that.

If Layman keeps playing like he has been and brings up his 3 point percentage to 37-38%, he's going to be on the radar of a lot of teams. So might Aminu, and maybe even Curry

I'll also say that the narrative that "half the league will be free agents", which I've seen repeatedly, is a pretty substantial exaggeration. Looking at the list, I can't tell if it will be a buyer's or a seller's market

 

What do you mean a substantial exaggeration? I've literally seen that depending on options being taken or not there could be 47% of the league that are free agents this summer. How is that an exaggeration if it is what's going to happen?

 

My guess, based on nothing, is that those numbers assume that all those teams are willing to let their own FAs go. So, technically correct, but likely wrong for the topic at hand. Now, for the particular conversation we were having, how many of those teams are going to forgo their own FAs, and half of the league to offer Jake Layman $7 mil/year on day 1? Not many, likely none.

 

technically, sure, but I think it's a distortion for a couple of reasons. If you look at player options for all the players above 15M in current salary, there are 3 or 4 players who will opt out to full free agency (Durant-Kawhi-Butler) a couple, maybe, like Kyrie who will re-sign, and then 12 who won't opt out. I mean, is Horford going to opt out of 30M? Crabbe opt out or 19M? Biyombo opt out of 17M

it does get interesting in the 10-15M range; there are a few players like Tobias Harris, Vucevic, & Danny Green, Mirotic & Bogdanovich who will generate a lot of interest. But you're also seeing a lot more players like Robin Lopez, Jeremy Lin, Tyreke Evans, Tyson Chandler, Zach Rodolph, & Jared Dudley who are headed for small portions of cap-space, the MLE's, or vet minimums

same thing happens in the range between vet minimum and 10M

and the way you get to that 47/53 is by counting the 70-80 players who have vet minimum contracts as impending free agents. Sure, technically, they will be, but they are also headed right back toward the same contracts or out of the league. Is Stauskas going to get anything other than a minimum deal? Channing Frye? And for the impending free agents that had above the minimum, are they going to get above again or drop into the minimum category? Players like Darrell Arthur Boban Marjanovic Wesley Johnson Anthony Tolliver Jason Smith Alexis Ajinca Thabo Sefolosha those guys are headed for minimum deals or for China.

there are also lots of impending free agents who will simply re-sign with their teams, many of which wouldn't have cap-space anyway

this is probably splitting hairs. There will be a lot of free agents, you're correct about that, maybe more than normal. But if Layman continues on the pace he has been, will he & Aminu generate less interest then players like Taj Gibson, Patrick Beverly, or Garret Temple?

 

It will be interesting for sure. I agree with most of what you said but I find it odd that you only included guys likely to get smaller contracts and not guys who will get bigger contracts. Off the top of my head I was thinking about the Bucks and they have Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdon, and Brook Lopez all of whom are likely headed to big pay days. Sure, a guy like George Hill is going to get significantly less than $20 million.

I've mentioned this already but the year we got Andre Miller (if I remember correctly that was the Turkoglu year) we were pretty much one of his last option unless he wanted to sign for the minimum somewhere else. I think if you pursue some of those mid range guys while the teams with big money are chasing the Durant and Butler types then you can land guys like say a Reggie Bullock 3 & D specialist.

As for Aminu and Layman, all it takes is one team to fall in love. I'm sure back in the summer of 2015 when Aminu was the first player to agree to terms that the Mavs weren't expecting him to sign for 4 years and $30 million right away. Layman with these recent outbursts could definitely have several teams intrigued by his talents. You just never know with free agency.

 

bwahahahahahahaha

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1800403

 

WTF! Now I'm all pissed off this morning.

We give up Dame/Collins/Curry/Layman, don't get Davis, and are the ones getting shafted with Hill's contract? We also get rid of no bad contracts.

Fuck that.