Blazers @ Chicago Game Thread (Merged)

I have to back RR7 on this. Going to the race card is beyond absurd Maris. I get that there are Nates bashers out there (for which i don't understand) but seriously that statement is ignorant.

 

Haven't we been having the same discussion about Sergio since he's been on our freaking team? This is like Deja-Vu.

 

the sergio supporters.....

were prob teh same guys who thought bassy was our future PG! Or maybe the same guys who use to think nash was doing a good job!

 

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The part about Bayless always getting picked off is completely and utterly false, Jerryd fought through multiple picks to completely shut down Rodney Stuckey in the second half of the Detroit game. His D on Stuckey was better than any stretch of defense Sergio has ever put together in a Blazer uniform.

 

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I just looked at the Bulls Forum and saw a thread about whether not having a good starting SG tall enough to guard other SGs hurts the Bulls. What's your take on this? From a distance, I can see how that could be a problem, but I don't watch them enough to know if it really is a problem. A few bridges seem to have been burned with Gordon anyway. I might try to work out a sign and trade with him or just let him go, hope for a good draft pick and use it at C or SG, get another good pick next draft and use cap space to fill any remaining holes. That won't win them many games in the meantime, but I'm not sure they will anyway as the team in currently constructed. Rose is great, but they don't have enough players that fit around him.

I don't know why our announcer kept calling Thabo French, but I'd love to force him to. I like to have three players at each position, so I'd like to get a third SG, especially one that can play defense. I think Thabo would look great in a Blazer uniform. Haven't figured out the best way to do that though. What do you think of the Blazers? Are there any players you would like to see on the Bulls, other than Roy, Aldridge and Oden?

 

Funny how Nate plays Blake not Sergio. Has to be skin color, couldn't be cause one sucks and the other doesn't?

 

basically its like this with our pgs....

blake here






bayless here...













sergio and his sulking here

 

Derrick Rose is a superstar. It'd take Roy+Oden+etc to trade for him.

 

Hahahahaha!!! I had no idea you were so funny!

 

Blake, Rudy, and Przy = white. But you already knew that and just wanted to get a rise out of people by hinting that Nate is a racist.

I'll give you credit, you do a good job of riling people up without appearing to be a blatant troll -- that's tough to do.

 

Reading through this thread is giving me flashbacks to about 5 years ago when I was reading through the garbage on Oregonlive forums. A lot of you are grown ass men, yet you come to internet message boards spewing garbage that I'm not even sure you yourself believe with sole intent of trying to get on other posters nerves. Then you argue tooth and nail about it like you actually believe what your writing out. The gimmick is cute I guess. . . If that's what floats your boat, then more power to ya.

 

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Three guys is a lot. At least having three good ones. NBA players are tricky, and if you start piling them up without clear roles, they get ticked off and go bad. That's been part of the Bulls problem.

I don't know if bridges are burned with Gordon or not. I don't think he's an awful defender and I don't think simply being tall makes that much difference. I don't see much difference between Gordon and Michael Redd or Ray Allen defensively, for example. They aren't going to be the strength of your defense, but on a well-constructed team, they can be part of a good defense.

The Bulls are not a well constructed team.

I'd prefer to keep Gordon going forward and trade Kirk, who's really a lot more of a PG, and is wasted not starting for some team, and Hughes, who just sucks. In the grand scheme of things, finding a SG better than Gordon is not that easy. So keep him.

The Bulls big problems are:
1. No size or defensive awareness up front. Tyrus might be ok next to a big guy who could defend the basket and let Tyrus freelance. But I have my doubts. Sometimes he gets after it, sometimes not. Gooden might be ok next to a big guy who could defend the basket, but he won't bring any blocks. Good rebounder though. Noah... good rebounder, brings nothing else at the moment. Gray is awful. Nocioni's hustle is finally not covering up the fact he's one of the NBA's worst defenders. He might be better if he trusted his teammates, which he doesn't. All in all, a complete trainwreck.

2. The Bulls don't have the personnel, but Vinnie Del Negro is clueless. Thabo's playing good? Bench him? Larry Hughes complains and acts selfish? Start him. Take your only two scorers (Rose and Gordon) out for long stretches? Check. Play Gooden and Nocioni or Gray together? Check. Install a streetball offense when you should be teaching Rose the NBA game? Check. Make sure your system has no use for the $71M SF you just signed? Check. Field a defense that leaves the players routinely audibly asking each other who's guarding who? Check.

About the Blazers? Look at the Bulls and think about how bad things could get.

You guys are fine with
1- Blake, Bayless
2- Roy, Rudy
3- Batum, Outlaw
4- LMA, Frye
5- Oden, Przy

I don't think much of Sergio for your offense, and I think Bayless is lot more like Gordon (a SG) than a PG. So that's the only real problem I see. Were I you, I'd consider a guy like Hinrich, because he brings some veteran-ness you could, indeed use, and he could probably come cheap and make a tangible difference now.

 

Great post!

 

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Great post. The Blazers also have Webster coming back soon I hope. I also see Bayless as the perfect PG to play next to Roy. I wouldn't be against trading for Hinrich but not sure he would help us that much but if he was cheap enough I guess you couldn't go wrong.

 

It's absurd. Blake and Przybilla are a lot "whiter" than Sergio. Clearly Nate trusts them. And Oden is on a very short leash; if he's "white" he's got a hell of a suntan.

Back to the game, the stupid Bulls announcers kept saying "Charles Outlaw" early on. At least by the end of the game they sure knew his name!

 

Two indisputable facts:

Sergio can't shoot.

Sergio can't defend.

Sure, he can pass (as Maris likes to point to in every thread) but what good is a point guard who can't shoot and can't defend? His passing becomes moot because teams start to sag off him (like last night) and he is forced to shoot (like last night) and he misses (like last night).

Jerryd Bayless is far superior to Sergio at scoring, at defense, and at finding big men on a fast break. How many times have we seen Bayless hit LMA for a dunk in the past week or so? Bayless pushes the ball. He gets into the paint more, which leads to more dunks for guys like Oden and Aldrdige. Sergio likes to dribble around the perimeter and wait for someone to cut (IE Rudy)

At this point I'm really just preaching to the choir because the only person who vehemently defends Sergio is Maris, and (as nik pointed out) he's just trolling us.

 

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Yikes, I forgot about Webster. He seems sort of like a poor-man's Glen Rice from the little I've seen of him. But he was coming along.

I think my biggest question with him would be who loses minutes to put him on the court?

• Batum looks like a better defender and you aren't really hurt for scoring. And he's just starting a cheap rookie deal.
• He's a better shooter than Outlaw, but Travis is more athletic and better all-around from what I've seen. He's also a guy who, from what I've read, is pretty popular in the locker room.

So when I look at those two, I don't know that I see a huge amount of room for Webster to play. And, back to my original post, one "lesson" I take from watching the Bulls these last couple years is that having big controversies is harmful to the team and its players. I'd pick one of those guys and move him. It'd either be Webster, because I think he's the least good of the three, or Outlaw because a year down the road you have to think about re-signing him, and he'll probably be more expensive. Is he good enough that you'll feel good about him long-term for you at the three? Are any of them?

That's the flip side... like I said, I like all three of them, but I don't know that any of them is really an upper echelon sort of SF. I look at Oden, LMA, Rudy and Roy and think those guys are either are or will be way above average. Bayless could be, but just personally I think it's asking a lot to develop both him and Rudy as 1/2 players at the same time, and to me Rudy is clearly better. So I suppose I'd at least consider making Bayless available if it got me a really solid 3.

 

^^ problem solved, we rotate Webs and Batum, and keep Outlaw at the 4, rotating with Aldridge.

 

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i think the consensus around here is that Martell has a much better all around game than outlaw. martell can be a little inconsistent, but he can absolutely EXPLODE offensively at times. and he is a better defender than outlaw, better bball iq, better passer, ballhandler, etc.

travis is more athletic no doubt, but youtube martell webster dunk and you will find some NASTY throw downs over people, in traffic. he just hasnt really put it all together to the point where he can be consistent enough.