I see the logic with what you guys are saying. But when is the trade deadline? I don't think you get the best value in a couple of days. KP may move quick, but I am not sure his trading partners can.
But Pritch probably has been all over this for the last couple of weeks. He should know exactly what Stoudemire's value is. In fact, if this is true, he's likely trying to orchestrate the involvement of a 3rd team to get this all done in one fell swoop.
Well, I'd guess every GM in the league has already given some thought to what he would and wouldn't be willing to give up to get Amare, since the Suns have been shopping him. I think the deadline is the 19th, Thursday. Probably 5pm eastern? barfo
I don't see there being anyway we keep Amare. He doesn't come across as a Nate-guy (appears to lack work ethic, doesn't play defense) and he doesn't exactly fit the culture of the team (didn't come out of a major college program, complains to the media, questionable past). Note: Not sure about his past. I remember his Mother having financial problems but wasn't there legal problems he dealt with early on?
Anybody else remember this classic Wheels call after a Shareef bucket? "There's a new Shareef in town... and his name is Abdur-Rahim!"
There are three reasons why I could see moving him on: -If and when Oden establishes himself, it might cause friction with Amare, in the way he's bridled at Shaq becoming the featured big man for Phoenix -There's a somewhat higher risk that he would leave via free agency than LMA -He seems high maintenance and there's no real way to predict what might displease him in the future Amare is a fantastic talent, but he's also a volatile one and might present a risk that Pritchard doesn't want to roll with long-term.
My philosophy on proposed trades in this forum is pretty simple: I'd take ANY of them because just about every one of the is so skewed in our favor it's absurd. So yes, give me just about any trade on here and we're good to go.
Maybe start Amare at Center? Greg is developing but he's still a liability on both ends. If he's not picking up fouls he's jacking up some of the ugliest baby hooks. If he's not dunking it's a brick.
No, he's not. His scoring efficiency is extremely good and he has one of the best rebound rates in the game. In addition he's a good passer. His defense is inconsistent...due to the fouls, it's currently the weakest part of his game. But when he doesn't foul, he's a defensive asset.
If the Blazers are able to swing Amare for great talent, why wouldn't Phoenix just trade Amare straight for that talent or similar. I can't see Phoenix trying to get into a rebuilding type effort while Steve Nash is still on the roster.
The theory is that the Suns want financial relief, not talent. Portland is in the best position to provide the financial help. I don't understand that either. Why not dump Nash instead of, or in addition to, Amare? barfo
Oklahoma City is actually in the best position to offer financial relief. A Green, Sene, and Wilcox package is the best in terms of getting the Thunder as close as possible to being under the luxury tax. Then a package of Gooden, Thomas, and Simmons from the Bulls is the second best at achieving that goal. Lafrentz and Bayless is just third in regards to that.
Thats the best proposal I've seen on here if we were to acquire Amare and trade him. I'm sure MJ would froth at the mouth to get Amare there. I'm thinking we'd have to package someone else (maybe Outlaw) if we were going to get both Augustin and Wallace. But, I don't think Charlotte is as bad of a destination to NBA players as you think. The whole MJ, Nelly and Bob Johnson thing to go along with a hall of fame coach is more enticing then a lot of people think. Imagine a lineup of: PG- Augustin/Blake SG- Roy/Rudy/Webster SF- Wallace/Batum/Webster PF- Aldridge/Frye/Diogu C- Oden/Pryzbilla That is a very young team that can win now and in the future. A lot of depth
That's a rather interesting point of view. Would you care to back that up with some numbers? Because as far as I can tell it is nonsense. barfo
Drew Gooden, Tyrus Thomas, Cedric Simmons for Amare Stoudemire, Louis Amundson, and Matt Barnes. Sheds $4.02 million off Phoenix's salary numbers for this season. Jeff Green, Saer Sene, Chris Wilcox for Amare Stoudemire, Louis Amundson, and Matt Barnes. Sheds $4.37 million off Phoenix's salary numbers for this season. Raef Lafrentz and Jerryd Bayless for Amare Stoudemire and Goran Dragic. Sheds $2.05 million off Phoenix's salary. FWIW, Goran Dragic is the highest unwanted salary that the Sun's have. The Blazers have by my count 14 players on their roster. So they could only take one extra player back from the Suns, otherwise they'd have to cut somebody. The Suns, if they begin giving more players than they give up, will have to start signing players to make up the room. For example, the most cap friendly trade that Portland could make is Lafrentz and Bayless for Amare Stoudemire, Goran Dragic, Matt Barnes, Louis Amundson, and Jared Dudley. That trade ends up shedding $4.87 million off of Phoenix's salary. The problem? Portland would have to cut a bunch of players before making the trade...and more importantly, after Phoenix signs all the players they will have to to get back to the minimum player threshold, it will be less attractive financially than the Thunder/Bulls trades. And getting under the luxury tax this summer is the most important thing for Phoenix in terms of saving money, as not only will they no longer be paying the tax, but they will get to collect those tax revenues. This is one of the flaws with a lot of peopel who have been covering the trade talks. They made up this false assumption that the bigger the expiring contract the better. But instead, the Bulls/Thunder packages are better, because they just barely work. They in base use the 125% trade exception to get Amare in, and then add on the minimum salary trade exception to bring Amundson and Barnes into the trade, allowing for less incoming salary for Phoenix.
