Blazers may ask Roy to retire? (Merged)

Re: Blazers may ask Roy to retire?

For one game.

 

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i dont think he will care if his play falls off, he will likely only consider it if the pain becomes unbearable

 

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For the entire series.

 

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If Roy has any integrity, he WILL retire. There is no way he can justify the salary he is getting, when he is making such a little contribution to the team. Portland has paid him very well, and he can live comfortably for the rest of his life. Go in peace, Brandon.

 

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Again with this bullshit, he outperformed Matthews for ONE GAME, and it was a great one, but Matthews played better for the rest of the series, and the stats prove that

 

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He won't retire. Canzano is a dick about a lot of things, but he is right that POR trying to "convince" Roy to medically retire is asinine. At this point if you are POR you have to hope that the amnesty allows you to clear the players' salary off your cap and not just the luxury tax implications.

The problem with Roy just isn't his salary in relation to his now spotty performance. Even if POR wanted to hamstring itself and keep Roy and use him as a "super-sub\4th quarter closer" the problem is that 1) He still views himself as a starter, 2) He still views himself as a the focal point of the team's offense & 3) He cannot consistently deliver in that role anyway. Is ONE out of every 4 or 5 games acceptible for a guy you are paying $14, $15, $18 million to over the next what 4? 5? years?

Not if you plan on actually building towards winning a championship it isn't......


The hard part for POR is going to be, cutting him loose and then watching as another playoff team picks him up and uses him in EXACTLY that type of role and he will likely hang on for a couple more years (maybe even through his contract). I think Roy would probably accept that type of role on another team, but he won't on POR.

Time to just bite the bullet and get this shit over with, rather than prolong this mess. Hope for the amnesty to clear his salary off the books as well, but even if it doesn't use it on him and move on, better for everyone involved. The longer he stays the more ugly this becomes IMO. But trying to coerce him into retiring is a foolish endeavor by POR mgmt (whatever is left of it).

 

dont care

i dont care that there is already a thread to talk about this and i dont care what you guys say.......

asking brandon roy to retire is flat out embarrassing.....

for any of you who agree what part of the vulcan group is doing should be ashamed.

im going to be the firs tto say it, hes going to comeback next year and kill...just watch

 

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the "asking" part is dumb if the Blazers have or will do it, either the doc's recommend it and then Roy eventually agrees or POR uses a new amnesty clause to get rid of his huge contract.

 

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agreed, he is going to come back next year and kill...you

 

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That's why we shouldn't ask him to retire. We should just use any amnesty clause there may be and let him go.

 

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It is a financial decision. It's not dumb at all. Brandon Roy is a shell of his former self and has 1 good game out of every 4-5. If the Blazers can rid themselves of his contract then they have a chance, if the trade Miller and Camby at the draft, to add a huge piece in rebuilding. Without doing that, they are a first round and out team for the forseeable future

 

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we got PAUL ALLEN ^^^^ Not gonna happen sorry

B-Roy is here to stay, find his $80 Million a$$ a new role

 

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Financial decision? If they"ask" Roy to retire, you think he just leaves 60 million dollars on the table? Hell no. And there's no chance he'd get medically retired, since it is clear he can still play. At a high level? Maybe not. But if Miles limped onto a team for 10 games, sure as shit Roy can play. And then we'd be stuck paying him anyways, without him on the roster.
I'd like to know how it would work out for us at all financially that actually makes sense.

 

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Agreed. Everyone saying Roy should stay is living off emotion. Dude is not the same player he once was. His defense used to suck, now its atrocious. If we get an amnesty clause to use, it's like winning the lottery. Yeah, he had an awesome performance in the playoffs. But Is his contract worth that? Not likely since his knees should only deteriorate.

From the business and financial flexibility standpoint, it's a no-brainer.

 

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No he wouldn't (and shouldn't) if I were Roy I'd force the team to cut me with an amnesty clause and take my full pay day.

I've been a fairly strong proponent of the team going this route because it's going to have to happen eventually if a hard cap gets phased in 2 years after the new CBA starts because there's no way the team can afford to carry a deadweight 17 to 19 million a year salary in a hard-cap environment if they have any hopes of fielding a competive team down the line.

The only reasonable argument I've heard about keeping him is that if contracts are cut across the board in the new CBA and partial guarantees are built into the final years of all contracts (even contracts inked prior to the new agreement) then Roy could end up being a cheaper to the team if he stays for a couple of years and then gets waived in the fourth year of his deal when he'd only be partially guaranteed.

 

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Medical retirement helping the Blazers will not work. At least from what I remember. You have to be insured by the NBA in order to qualify for that provision. And since the NBA insurance on Roy's contract excluded his knees; then it will not qualify for medical retirement. I've heard rumors that the Blazers had an outside insurance policy; so possibly the retirement would cover his salary; but it will not cover the salary coming off the cap.

 

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The only way it benefits the Blazers is if the Amnesty Clause takes effect, and it's applied to the cap; not the luxury tax. We have no chance for medical retirement because his knees were excluded from the mandated NBA insurance on each player signed. That means the NBA will not give amnesty for a player injured from their exclusion.

 

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You might be right about the difference between a cap amnesty or a tax only amnesty being the difference, but you completely misunderstand the medical retirement issue. The only thing the insurance provides is an 80% benefit on Roy's contract amount to the Blazers if Roy can't complete his contract or can't otherwise play for an extended period of time (I forget the exact number of games). Roy can medically retire, but the Blazers will be on the hook to pay the full amount of his contract without the benefit of the insurance covering the majority of the amount because he's on the exemption list.

 

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i believe it is after the 41st missed game of a season

 

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