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2 cuts are needed. Who will not be on the opening day roster (assuming Omari Johnson will be cut.)?

Poll closed Oct 30, 2015.
  1. Mike Miller

    94.1%
  2. Chris Kaman

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  3. Phil Pressey

    41.2%
  4. Tim Frazier

    47.1%
  5. Luis Montero

    17.6%
  6. Cliff Alexander

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Joe Johnson has a $24M expiring contract.

    Played 35 MPG. His 14.1 PER is low by his standards, but his USG% was the lowest it's been since 2002-03. Still put up 14/5/4 and is regarded as a good defender.

    He's 6'7" 240 lbs. Seems like he might be a pretty good guy to start at SF for a year. Recoup the cap space next summer.
     
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    My current estimates:

    Aminu 7,030,000
    Davis 6,380,000
    Henderson 6,000,000
    Kaman 5,016,000
    Lillard 4,236,287
    Leonard 3,075,880
    Vonleh 2,637,720
    McCollum 2,525,160
    Plumlee 1,415,520
    Crabbe 947,276
    Frazier 845,069

    Total Committed 40,108,911
    Estimated Cap 69,000,000
    Estimated Cap room 28,891,089
    Current depth chart
    Plumlee/ Davis/ Kaman
    Leonard/ Vonleh
    Aminu / Crabbe
    Henderson/ CJ/ Pat
    Lillard/ Frazier

    3 roster spots available although Frazier/Crabbe/Pat can be cut if superior value is available.
     
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    Sorry, having a memory failure here. Who is Pat?

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    Yeah its easy to forget.. He's not part of the cap because we can wait and sign him if we go over. With the youth movement and possible hole we have at the wing; I could see a 4 year player such as him carving out a role next year.
     
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    has anyone seen info yet on the structures of Aminu and Davis' contracts?
     
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    I believe there are no player or team options. I think Blazers will wait until July 9th to decide on yearly amounts.
     
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    This is one of the worst things we could do with our space in my opinion. I would rather sign three Ed Davis/Aminu types over a one year rental that will resent being here and would bolt after a year.
     
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    Spending the cap space on guys who won't make enough of a difference isn't ideal, IMO. Especially if it consumes your cap for years going forward. Using it on expiring deals gives you a chance at next year's FAs or salary dumps by teams chasing them.
     
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    We are probably not going to be huge players in FA anyway. We need to get value out of that space. My thinking is that we get players that outperform those contracts. Using it up on one player that hurts our one year tank (hopefully) does little long term.

    A better alternative is doing what Boston did last year with its space.
     
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    No need for cap space to burn a hole in your pocket. You don't have to sign free agents with it. You can take lopsided trades for guys just as good as the best FAs with cap space.

    I don't see why FAs won't come to Portland. You have one of the best owners in the league, a great city, and great fans. FAs are signing in Milwaukee of all places - what makes that city better than Portland? (Nothing).

    Right now, LMA has tied Olshey's hands by not making a decision. Meanwhile, the teams dumping salary to be able to sign him or other high prices FAs are pretty much done with their dealing. But there will be similar dealing next year and Neil's hands won't be tied waiting on his own players to make their decisions.
     
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    I'm fine with exploring trades to use our cap space. But Joe Johnson would be a horrific move. Was that a serious suggestion? At 34 he's well past his prime. The Blazers won't be contenders so at best if he plays well he takes opportunities away from our younger players and gives us a worse draft pick. With such a large contract even if he plays good he won't have trade value at the deadline.

    I think the Aminu and Ed Davis uses of cap space are great. If theres more young players with upside Neil should make more similar moves. Or a veteran that has the potential of greatly increasing their trade value. David Lee, Roy Hibbert, Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson are veterans that could play well and become assets at the trade deadline. Joe Johnson makes so much even if he plays great teams won't give us value for him. If none of those veterans are available we could always wait with the cap space during the season and snag some assets from a team who decides they want to give them up to drop below the tax. Even if we are below the minimum salary all it means is the Blazers have to pay the difference to our players on the roster. That could potentially be a valuable recruiting tool for next summers free agents. "Last year our players with a $5 million contract actually got paid $8 million"
     
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    It's a serious suggestion.

    Johnson is 34. He has a $24M EXPIRING CONTRACT. The expiring contract is basically what you're trading for. You capture ~$25M in cap space next summer.

    It's a rental that gets you depth at SG and SF and cap space next season. I bet you can score a draft pick for taking on the salary, too.

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    it saves BKN a metric butt-ton of luxury tax, but their cupboard is pretty bare.

    Incoming
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    2017 second round draft pick from Boston
    Boston has the right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2017 1st round pick; if Boston exercises this swap right, then Boston will convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Boston's obligation to Brooklyn will be extinguished) [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]; this potential pick conveyance is the same as the one described in "2017 first round draft pick from Brooklyn" on Boston Credits

    Outgoing
    2016 first round draft pick to Boston

    Brooklyn's 2016 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]
    2016 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers
    L.A. Clippers have the right to swap their 2016 2nd round pick protected for selections 56-60 for Brooklyn's 2016 2nd round pick (if the L.A. Clippers' pick falls within its protected range, then the L.A. Clippers' swap right and Brooklyn's obligation to the L.A. Clippers will be extinguished) [Brooklyn-L.A. Clippers, 7/11/2012]
    2017 first round draft pick to Boston
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    2017 second round draft pick to Atlanta
    Brooklyn's 2017 2nd round pick to Atlanta [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/11/2012]
    2018 first round draft pick to Boston
    Brooklyn's 2018 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]
    2018 second round draft pick to Charlotte
    Charlotte will receive the less favorable of Brooklyn's 2018 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2018 2nd round pick and Philadelphia will receive the more favorable of these two picks (via Philadelphia's right to swap Cleveland for Brooklyn) [Cleveland-Philadelphia, 9/27/2014; Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 12/11/2014; Brooklyn-Charlotte, 6/25/2015]; this pick conveyance is the same as the one described in "2018 second round draft pick from Cleveland" on Charlotte Credits
    2018 second round draft pick to Philadelphia
    Philadelphia will receive the more favorable of Brooklyn's 2018 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2018 2nd round pick and Charlotte will receive the less favorable of these two picks (via Philadelphia's right to swap Cleveland for Brooklyn) [Cleveland-Philadelphia, 9/27/2014; Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 12/11/2014]; this pick conveyance is the same as the one described in "2018 second round draft pick from Cleveland" on Philadelphia Credits
    2019 second round draft pick to Charlotte
    Brooklyn's 2019 2nd round pick to Charlotte [Brooklyn-Charlotte, 6/25/2015]
    2020 second round draft pick to Philadelphia
    Brooklyn's 2020 2nd round pick to Philadelphia [Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 12/11/2014]
     
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    2016 2nd round pick.
     
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    We have the cap space RIGHT NOW. Cap space RIGHT NOW is more valuable than cap space NEXT YEAR

    If they give us a first round pick hell yes do it but I highly doubt we can get that.
     
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    It depends on what you spend it on, doesn't it? If the choices now is hamburger and the choice next year is filet mignon, I say go for the filet.

    Johnson is still pretty good for a guy who's 34, so you do get a useful player for the year.

    Let me put it another way. If you use the cap space now, you get 3 guys like CJ Watson or maybe a bit better. If you wait a year, you have a shot at Durant. If you use the cap space now, you have NO chance at Durant.

    If you think Durant coming to Portland is a fantasy, then consider teams will be doing salary dumps to be able to make him and other elite FAs offers next summer and cap space can absorb some really good players' contracts.
     
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    We don't have to put an order in now.

    Your comparing acquiring Joe Johnson's expiring contract with the Blazers locking up long term bad deals? Well sure Johnson is a superior option of the two.

    But theres plenty of other options for us to use cap space. Its not an either/or between those two crappy alternatives. We'll likely have an easy ability to get max cap room next summer regardless of what acquisitions Neil makes.

    How about we don't do either of your crappy ideas? If we want to acquire veterans on expiring deals theres others besides Joe Johnson. If we want to acquire players on longer contract don't blow it all on CJ Watson.

    We can do absolutely nothing and keep tons of cap room for all season long and next summer. Neil sticking his head in the sand is a superior option to acquiring Joe Johnson.
     

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