Trade Blazers trade away Noah Vonleh

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  1. riverman

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    I thought Noah would own the PF spot but as Olshey clearly said...he got beat out for rotation spots...this means he couldn't beat Ed, Chief, Zach or even Meyers in practice...listening to him...I think maturity was his issue...not talent...I wish him well.
     
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    TS: "Dammit Neil, I'm not playing Biebs"
    NO: "But, but he's a unicorn."
    TS: "Dude sucks, find me a big who plays D and can stretch the floor."
    NO: "I got one, and he's fantastic - a true 2-way player."
    TS: "A Fuckin' rookie? Are you kidding me? Well, he's already way better than Vonleh. Fuck."
     
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    If they really believed in Vonleh they wouldn’t have drafted Biggie in the first place. It wouldn’t have made sense.
     
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    Exactly, they decided this in the offseason.
     
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    ...except when given consistent, solid minutes, his production says otherwise. In comparison, Collins is shooting much worse and rebounding at a lower rate. We already compared Ed and Chief's numbers.

    It reminds me of someone I played basketball with. He was the better player IMO but the coach wouldn't play him. On one trip, the other van with the coach in it broke down so we only had the Asst Coach and half the team. This guy went off for a triple double against the defending state champs (one of only two trip-dubs on the entire team for the season) yet the coach promptly benched him for the next game.

    Sometimes it just doesn't fit when it should be better. That kid went on to play college ball while the player he was stuck behind the entire time never suited up again after that season.
     
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    It wasn't about Vonleh, it was about his current salary and future salary.

    I don't want to get you mad, but you're right (in other posts) in that the sacrifice of Vonleh is part of the
    payment for the sins of signing Biebs and ET. I don't like it either, but it's not really about Vonleh.
     
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    Coaches have some questionable biases sometimes.
     
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    Oh, I wasn't arguing that... I was more just noting the return we got for him, all told.
     
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    I plan on watching the next few Bulls games to see how he's doing. Always liked Vonleh even though he didn't put it all together here.
     
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    I'm talking about trading Layman and two 2nd round picks for Hernangomez (equivilant to what he got traded for which was Johnny O'Bryant and two 2nds) along with dumping Vonleh. Would've been an upgrade, allowed us more flexibility in our decisions on Aminu and Davis going forward, and he's cheap and underrated. Best part about it is swapping Layman for Willy doesn't add any salary or put us over the luxury tax.
     
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    I don't think anyone is advocating for Payton. But anyone that was available that we could've acquired for 2nds and is close to Layman's salary we could've swapped Layman and 2nds for and stayed under the tax line. We had about $700K, so anyone making $2M or less wouldn't have brought us back over the tax (*cough* Hernangomez *cough*)
     
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    Are you sure NY wanted Layman in return? They got a guy without a bunch of DNP-CD.
     
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    Assuming anyone wants Layman and his career full of DNC-CD.

    By my figuring, we're at about $500K under the LT.
     
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    Plus he was the one with an expiring contract and one that the team likely wouldn't have re=signed in the off season so better to deal than to just let him walk. Now the team isn't in the luxury tax and the clock for the repeater tax is avoided. I guess some things make so much sense that it's hard for some posters to understand it.
     
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    Why would anyone want him less than Johnny O'Bryant...?
     
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    They traded for the 2nd round picks... Johnny Bryant was cheap filler, much like Layman would be.
     
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    Also, Swanigan is the better player. He's hyperenergetic like Ed Davis, and unlike the calm Vonleh.

    None of which excuses Olshey for having gotten nothing for Vonleh, maybe before this season.
     
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    It's hard to look at the Noah Vonleh experience as anything but a complete failure. We gave him 109 starts on a playoff level team, with the hope that he would turn into a quality player. Toward the end he really was turning the corner, but Aminu got healthy and we decided to put our eggs in the Collins basket. I think the Blazers realized Vonleh and Collins were probably similar caliber players currently, and Collins was going to be dirt cheap for another 3 years and had more upside.

    After all that time and energy invested in him, it's pretty depressing to see him get dumped as a cost-saving measure.

    In hindsight we should have given all of Vonleh's minutes last year to guys like Pat and Napier. Forget about traditional 4's and just roll out 4 guards and Nurk.
     
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    Why didn't Milovan Rakovic ever come to America? I just watched about 4 interview videos from about 4 European countries, and he always speaks English. He always talks sadly about how he must live apart from his mother, siblings, and fiance. Here's a sample. Start at 3:30 into it.

     
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    Then after the draft, Olshey should have gotten value for one of our excess of forwards (e.g. Vonleh).

    So predictable, that after the draft, Olshey should have gotten value for one of our excess of forwards (e.g. Vonleh).

    Or, don't you believe in planning ahead.
     

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