the mavs can't be stopped on offense, but they can't stop anyone. they will just trade off baskets, so if the mavs get cold, then they're screwed. they're defense will make the jazz look like a great offensive team.
Nobody will attack my points, guess they can't So InNETSweTrust, are you saying that the Nets are a better team than the Mavs? 60 wins, 2 games from finals, and people are still pickin' on the Mavs, how silly does that sound. Overrated, end of story.
I love this trade... Don Nelson is really a mastermind of creating mismatches on the court! If Dirk starts at C, who's going to guard him? On Man-to-man defense, he'll blow past every big guy in the League... Zone defense? He'll shoot a hole in it... And if he can't shoot? Jamison, Nash, Finley or Walker will! Looking forward to see the Mavs play this season!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody will attack my points, guess they can't So InNETSweTrust, are you saying that the Nets are a better team than the Mavs? 60 wins, 2 games from finals, and people are still pickin' on the Mavs, how silly does that sound. Overrated, end of story.</div> Who are picking on the Mavs? they are a great team,exciting players...very good coach...what points are you on about? here is a supposely quote by Tim Duncan on the trade "That's ... weird," Duncan said. "Unless Dallas is trying to score more points, I don't know. Wow. That's incredibly weird." the MVP has spoken...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody will attack my points, guess they can't So InNETSweTrust, are you saying that the Nets are a better team than the Mavs? 60 wins, 2 games from finals, and people are still pickin' on the Mavs, how silly does that sound. Overrated, end of story.</div> Who are picking on the Mavs? they are a great team,exciting players...very good coach...what points are you on about? here is a supposely quote by Tim Duncan on the trade "That's ... weird," Duncan said. "Unless Dallas is trying to score more points, I don't know. Wow. That's incredibly weird." the MVP has spoken...
Nice find on the quote allnet, that was great. It is just how the spin os coming off by some of these people, like the Mavs have the worst D in the league, which clearly they don't.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Nice find on the quote allnet, that was great. It is just how the spin os coming off by some of these people, like the Mavs have the worst D in the league, which clearly they don't.</div> Worst D? No. But if you were going to bet on a game and it came down to the last possesion. For sake of arguement, San Antonio........... San Antonio has the ball with 20 seconds left in the game. Tied. Game 7. Who would you bet on? Id bet on San Antonio's offense prevailing over Dallas' defense. But don't say that goes for every team. Take the 98 Finals. Game 6. Utah has one last shot. The Bulls defense stops them. Id have taken the Bulls defense over the Jazz offense. Yes, its a bit irrelevant, but the fact is, defense is a huge part of winning championships. San Antonio's defense was among the better ones last year. The Lakers had a very good defense during their 3 peat. As did the Spurs the year before that. And certainly the Bulls second 3- Peat. And the Rockets back to backs wins....etc..... NJ couldn't stop San Antonio last year. But San Antonio could stop NJ. Result? Spurs won. Dallas doesn't have a great defender on their team. They've got the offensive firepower, no doubt about that.....but their man to man defense isn't stellar. But if they can play good team defense they stand a great shot. Thats what it will come down to. Can Dallas play good team defense? The answer is the difference between the WCF and the Finals. Ask the Mavs of last year.
It's not that the Mavs defence is all that terrible It's mainly the fact the other top west teams have Shaq,Duncan and KG will all have their way with the Mavs inside...Even Randolph did in last years playoffs...No center and no good post defender means they will struggle in the post season when facing these teams.I love watching the Mavs play and Cuban is great in what he does which has helped Mavs become a powerhouse team....It's going to be an interesting season ahead.
Here's an argument. Did they actually get better? If you look at the stats the Mavs took 6,982 shots. Walker took 1,554 and averaged 20.1 Dirk took 1,489 and averaged 25.1 Nash took 1,114 and averaged 17.7 Finley took 1,193 and averaged 19.3 Jamison took 1,471 and averaged 22.2 That leaves only 161 shots for everyone else, obviously they will all have to take less shots. Let's say they keep the same shooting percentages but their shots go down 15% each then so will their scoring by 15%. 17.1 from Walker 21.4 from Dirk 15.1 from Nash 16.5 from Finley 18.8 from Jamison I know this isn't exact and that they probably won't take 15% fewer shots, but Walker, Jamison, Finley, and Nash will definetly lose shots and points this year. That's about 90 points right there, all the other players like Bradley, Delk, Najera, howard will lose shots also. They may score more points than last year, but not by a lot.
Yes, their scoring will drop, but they added more options. Last year, you had to stop/slow down Dirk, NVE, Nash, and Finley. Tough. This year, you stop Dirk. Fine, Walker will light it up. Stop Walker? Fine. Nash can light it up. Stop Nash? Fine, Finley will have a big game. Finley is topped. Fine, Jamison can put the numbers up. Those are 5 players who can score 20 on most nights(obviously not all on the same night). How do you stop that kind of offensive weaponry? But the question will be, "Can they stop you?"
Aight I have read enough of the first couple pages... For all you people that keep saying... 'We are worrying to much about the center, since no one can stop Shaq' ... its not a matter of actually stoping Shaq, its putting a body on him to where he actually has a hand in his face. Dirk and Walker can not gaurd him for longer than 2 seconds without falling on the floor... if they start all 5 these guys and don't double Shaq, Shaq has a 99% percent chance of scoring... Yay... they got 5 potiental all stars... who all do the same damn thing, score, we talk about how the ball will be spread around in LA, the Lakers have guys who particapte in both ends of the floor, all the Mavs have 1 goal, to score. Now to Boston... wtf are they thinking, yea maybe Walker wasnt exactly what they needed, but WHY DOWNGRADE to a soft white boy who shoots a lot himself. This is a terrible trade in my mind for both teams.
It's not a terrible trade for the Mavs because Raef was nothing special in the first place, and he isn't even a pure center. The Mavs have the same problem as last year: defense. But they added even more fire power on offense. You cannot say it was a horrible trade for the Mavs. There is absolutely no justification for that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody will attack my points, guess they can't So InNETSweTrust, are you saying that the Nets are a better team than the Mavs? 60 wins, 2 games from finals, and people are still pickin' on the Mavs, how silly does that sound. Overrated, end of story.</div> Not silly at all, when you consider that the team that they lost to was San Antonio..... The Spurs are arguably the west's best defensive team, maybe even the L's. Dallas is (with the possible exeception of the Kings) the L's best offensive team. Those "2 games fromt the finals" never took place due to a lack of defense on Dallas' part. Their loss to the Spurs shows that elite defense outplays even more elite offense (because in NO way are the Spurs known for their offense). So, no their lack of D isn't a silly argument, it did contribute to their losses. This is a good debate, I'll be awaiting your response.
The playoffs changed a lot when Webber and Dirk went down, which sucked, because the playoofs could have been even more exciting. I don't think there is much more to debate actually, was a great thread. Thanks guys.
I just cant see Dirk lasting at Center for long his frame wont take the pounding and he is the main man in dallas if he goes down there is trouble. The only way I see all this working is if Bradley or Forston (who at 6-9) is way undersized start at the 5 and Walker is used as a spark off the bench something the shimmy man will not like. Otherwise another trade is required.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BBall Guru:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not a terrible trade for the Mavs because Raef was nothing special in the first place, and he isn't even a pure center. The Mavs have the same problem as last year: defense. But they added even more fire power on offense. You cannot say it was a horrible trade for the Mavs. There is absolutely no justification for that.</div> You obviously didnt comprehend the post I typed up... you probably on read the last sentence because I have you justification why the trade was terrible for both teams.
ok so 5 guys who can all score... who's going to rebound? fortson? yes if he can keep himself in the game... who's going to dish off assists to keep ALL the scorers happy? and you guys are almost saying that defense is underrated...that you can trade baskets and win the game...purehoops is right...no one can stop Shaq...but at least make him work for his points and wear him down...the way i see it, Dirk will defend him, GP will feed Shaq on the block...one curl..SLAM on Dirk's face...no sweat....at least when you have a fairly good center, Shaq needs to dribble...or do a lot of pivots...or shoot the hook...and sweat... and who's going to defend the perimeter for crying out loud?! im seeing games here with the score of 120-110...dallas can be either one coz they can't stop the other team... and who's going to grab the lose ball or offensive rebound when they miss? surely you don't expect them to make every shot... oh and what will happen when Dirk goes down with an injury again? i read somewhere that Fortson will start at center...i think he's generously listed at 6'8...and Shaq has a term for these kind of undersized centers..."tree stumps"... im sure the Mavs are better in terms of scoring against the Nets..but who made it to the Finals? i still believe that the Nets defense brought them to the Finals...Jason Kidd as a perimeter defender and KMart an interior defender...they don't have a 20+ scorer...but they have one hell of a defense... sure they're in the East...but with the Mavs firepower, shouldn't you think they should be in the Finals as well? they weren't...because they can't shut down the other team...
