Ya thats very true. He should be posting Yao and then giving the ball, but what can you do he is shoot first point gaurd. As for us not being tough, Jon barry has dived for loose balls countless times. When i was sitting in floor seats at the memphis houston game Jon barry dove for a ball that was right at my feet. It was pretty intense because he dove when everyone else was running. That is the kind of hustle I'd like to see and not the ryan bowen kind. Sorry not a big Ryan Bowen fan.
Ryan Bowen is a excellent defenser,he just needs to improve his offensive abilty,but you cannt require a low-cost player whose annual salary belows one million to do so much to our team.He had show his defensive ability in the playoff last season.I respect him very much ,though it will difficult for to find a position this season.
It strikes me that a lot of the Chinese fans get the impression that Sura needs to get the ball to Yao more, but that doesn't seem to be so much the case with us North American fans. Personally, I thought that Yao got enough touches last season considering our offensive set up and that Sura did a great job at getting him and everyone else the ball. Compared to Stevie, Sura has been an upgrade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">It strikes me that a lot of the Chinese fans get the impression that Sura needs to get the ball to Yao more, but that doesn't seem to be so much the case with us North American fans. Personally, I thought that Yao got enough touches last season considering our offensive set up and that Sura did a great job at getting him and everyone else the ball. Compared to Stevie, Sura has been an upgrade.</div> How in the world can you think that Sura did anywhere close to a good a job of getting the ball into Yao? What are you looking at when you watch the games? Man, it just seems like some people in this forum don't get the game of basketball... and by the way, just for the record, I'm not Chinese (still wondering why you would say such a thing)
I agree with what side45wayz says about the ball being given to yao, but Sura is an upgrade from francis. Not by skill, but because of team play. Sura is a team player and everything he does is for the team. Francis might have good intentions, but I couldn't see him as help when he was here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting side45wayz:</div><div class="quote_post">How in the world can you think that Sura did anywhere close to a good a job of getting the ball into Yao? What are you looking at when you watch the games? Man, it just seems like some people in this forum don't get the game of basketball... and by the way, just for the record, I'm not Chinese (still wondering why you would say such a thing)</div>By Chinese, I did not mean race as a whole. I meant that fans in China seemed to be more critical of Sura. For the record, I am Chinese. I don't know what would be good for you. Would you like the ball dumped down to Yao every posession? Would you say McGrady did a bad job of getting the ball to Yao if he was the point guard instead of Sura? Yao got his touches, it's just that he was always getting stripped of the ball or just choosing to dump it back out. I would like to see him attempt 14 shots a game, but I wouldn't like to see him doubled on every occasion as well, when McGrady is the more established player and is the guy who can make more things happen. I don't know if anyone knows the game of basketball, but if anyone does, it's not going to be 90% of the people on JBB.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting side45wayz:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you looking at when you watch the games? Man, it just seems like some people in this forum don't get the game of basketball... </div> Are you implying that Locke doesnt know the game of basketball? Thats just ignorant. He is one of the more respected posters on the site and was made a TL for a reason. And BTW the "people in forum [that] don't get the game of basketball"...... includes you.
^^ Yes! Dump the ball into Yao every posession! This is how the offense is ran. You work through your center to set up your offense, and when Yao is doubled you make the pass to set up your teammates. That's why the center position is the most crucial in basketball. It's how the lakers won their championships, it's how SA won theirs (using TD) hell, it's how Houston won theirs. I'm not saying Sura is all bad, he has alot higher bball iq than Stevie, but I don't think Sura being our starting point gaurd is going to get us to the next level.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">It strikes me that a lot of the Chinese fans get the impression that Sura needs to get the ball to Yao more, but that doesn't seem to be so much the case with us North American fans. Personally, I thought that Yao got enough touches last season considering our offensive set up and that Sura did a great job at getting him and everyone else the ball. Compared to Stevie, Sura has been an upgrade.</div> I do not mean I have prejudice to Sura,he is a good player too.But as a PG,I think he should pay more attetion to assist.Sometimes when Yao take the position,he can get the ball to yao first if possible,yao is a genius,he knows how to do next,shoot or pass. It's apparent that yao doesn't get enough ball,he only shoots less than 15 times per game,It's abnormal for a centre with high FG%.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting market:</div><div class="quote_post">It's abnormal for a centre with high FG%.</div> It isn't uncommon these days. PF and C are getting higher %s because they are powering themselves to easier lay ups and dunks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting side45wayz:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ Yes! Dump the ball into Yao every posession! This is how the offense is ran. You work through your center to set up your offense, and when Yao is doubled you make the pass to set up your teammates. That's why the center position is the most crucial in basketball. It's how the lakers won their championships, it's how SA won theirs (using TD) hell, it's how Houston won theirs. I'm not saying Sura is all bad, he has alot higher bball iq than Stevie, but I don't think Sura being our starting point gaurd is going to get us to the next level.</div> Ha. So the Bulls won their 6 championships by dumping the ball to Luc Longley every possession? The Pistons dumped it down to Ben Wallace every time? Since when? You're right in that LA and San Antonio won their championships that way, but look at who they were dumping to. Shaq and Duncan, the best and second-best post players in the league. Yao is a good post guy but expecting Shaq or Duncan like numbers from him is a bit too much. During the two years we won championships, Kenny Smith averaged 4.1 assists per game and scored more than Sura. Dumping the ball down to Yao is just not too bright especially considering the fact that he is nowhere as refined as Shaq or Duncan and we have a better shooting guard who should be first option on offense.
Your just proving my point the more and more and you talk. Do you really think our team is being built like the bulls or pistons? Every team has to play to their strengths, and our strengths are almost identicle to the champion lakers with Shaq and Kobe, I think just about everybody would agree with that. Their offense ran through Shaq, and if we ever want to be a championship-caliber team then our offense will have to go through Yao. The only way we win the title is if Yao puts up Shaq and Duncan like numbers, (22-24 pts; 13 rebs) which I for one think he will be able to do if the role players we have live up to their expectations. Whether you want to admit it or not McGrady's heroics will only take us so far, he is no Jordan (no one is). Saying that dumping the ball down to Yao is just not to bright just shows how much you understand the game. Getting the ball into Yao to set up the offense does not mean that he has to shoot every time or that McGrady isn't our first option, but don't you think it would give Tracy (and everyone else on the team) better scoring opportunities if they did? You probably don't, huh.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting side45wayz:</div><div class="quote_post">Your just proving my point the more and more and you talk. Do you really think our team is being built like the bulls or pistons? Every team has to play to their strengths, and our strengths are almost identicle to the champion lakers with Shaq and Kobe, I think just about everybody would agree with that. Their offense ran through Shaq, and if we ever want to be a championship-caliber team then our offense will have to go through Yao. The only way we win the title is if Yao puts up Shaq and Duncan like numbers, (22-24 pts; 13 rebs) which I for one think he will be able to do if the role players we have live up to their expectations. Whether you want to admit it or not McGrady's heroics will only take us so far, he is no Jordan (no one is).</div>McGrady is no Jordan, but Yao is definitely no Shaq or Duncan either. Yes, he might give you that 20/10 someday, but he is not at Shaq's level yet. Shaq commands a double-team almost every team touches the ball, but in Yao's case, he is still being played man-to-man and will not be as dominant as Shaq in the next three years at the very least. I take Yao for what he is, and that is a solid player who can go for 20/10 numbers every night, but he is by no means a MVP-calibre player. His defense is still suspect, and he doesn't handle double-team pressure and agile defenders very well. What I would like to see is actually Yao move out to the high post 16-20 inches from the basket to start possessions. He can get a pass, then hand it off to McGrady with a semi pick and roll. His shooting touch draws defenders out to the perimeter and would open up the space for McGrady and Anderson to drive to the basket and give Wesley, Barry and Sura open looks. I think that it would help to preserve Yao's energy, resulting in better production on both sides of the floor. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Saying that dumping the ball down to Yao is just not to bright just shows how much you understand the game. Getting the ball into Yao to set up the offense does not mean that he has to shoot every time or that McGrady isn't our first option, but don't you think it would give Tracy (and everyone else on the team) better scoring opportunities if they did? You probably don't, huh.</div> Yep, I don't understand the game worth a lick and have been lying and dumbballing my way through all of my 5000+ posts on these boards. Thanks for your enlightenment.
High post? 16-20 inches? Man your confusing me and I think yourself. Since when did a foot and a half away from the basket become the high post? You gotta clear this is up for me, first you say that Yao might give you 20/10 someday, then two sentences later you say he can give you 20/10 every night? Do you even read your own posts? Your all over the place! I think those 5000 are starting to catch up to you. Finally, you once again prove the point I've been trying to make this whole time. You want Yao to come out, recieve a pass, set a screen and pass off, that's having the offense run through Yao, which is exactly what I've been saying! Anyway, this thread was about Sura, were completely off topic, so I'm done. (can't keep up with your 5000 i guess)
I think out of all the players in the rockets, Sura gives yao the ball the least. I've watched alot of rocket games and very rarely do I see Sura passing the ball to Yao. One time I saw Sura try to shoot and Yao just jumped in mid air and did an alley, Yao was probably resentful inside and just wanted to show Sura that he can make shots even if he doesn't intentionally pass to him. I'd have to agree with side45wayz that Sura doesn't like to give Yao the ball, at least that's the impression I have after watching so many Rocket games. Of course, I am chinese, but I don't think i'm biased, just insightful.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting devin:</div><div class="quote_post">I think out of all the players in the rockets, Sura gives yao the ball the least. I've watched alot of rocket games and very rarely do I see Sura passing the ball to Yao. One time I saw Sura try to do a layup and Yao just jumped in mid air and did an alley, Yao was probably resentful inside and just wanted to show Sura that he can make shots even if he doesn't intentionally pass to him. I'd have to agree with side45wayz that Sura doesn't like to give Yao the ball, at least that's the impression I have after watching so many Rocket games. Of course, I am chinese, but I don't think i'm biased, just insightful.</div> I think thats because Sura is often the one responsible for initiating the offense...therefore, he often passes to a wing or Howard on the high post and cuts through, so any touches Yao might get often comes from the wing spots...
I believe when T-mac when to china this summer and was in one of the interview, a chinese reporter asked if how he felt about Sura not giving Yao the ball, and he of course defended Sura by saying both him and sura weren't used to super tall centers like Yao, so it was harder to adjust. Of course, it's not like T-mac would blast a teammate of his on the media anyways.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting side45wayz:</div><div class="quote_post">High post? 16-20 inches? Man your confusing me and I think yourself. Since when did a foot and a half away from the basket become the high post? </div>Don't go too hard on my typos. We all make mistakes. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You gotta clear this is up for me, first you say that Yao might give you 20/10 someday, then two sentences later you say he can give you 20/10 every night? Do you even read your own posts? Your all over the place! I think those 5000 are starting to catch up to you.</div>What I meant was that Yao might average 20/10 someday, but he can right now put up 20/10 every night, although he isn't doing it. He has the ability to, but unless he becomes more consistent, he won't average those numbers. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Finally, you once again prove the point I've been trying to make this whole time. You want Yao to come out, recieve a pass, set a screen and pass off, that's having the offense run through Yao, which is exactly what I've been saying!</div>I'm sorry? You've been saying dump it down low to Yao every possession. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyway, this thread was about Sura, were completely off topic, so I'm done. (can't keep up with your 5000 i guess)</div>No, I'm fine with this being discussed here. It's not like we're talking about how the Laker offense should be run. This is the Rockets forum and we are discussing Rockets material.
Here's the funniest thing of all: Yao averaged 12.19 field goal attempts last season. He played 30.6 minutes per game. That comes out to a ratio of roughly 2/5. So, that's two attempts every five minutes. T-Mac attempted 21.28 field goal attempts per, with 41.8 minutes. Which leaves you with a ratio of just over 1/2. To break it down into a math teacher's nightmare: Yao get's 1/2.5 (one shot every two and a half minutes), T-Mac gets 1/2 (one shot/2 minutes). The average NBA possession lasts around 15 seconds. Factor in that equals 4 posessions per 1 minute. You have two teams, so, logically, each team gets an average of 2 possessions per minute. Therefore: 1 minute equals 2 possessions for the Rockets, 2 for their opponent. If Yao shoots 1 shot per every 2.5 minutes, he attempts a shot every 5 possessions while he's on court. T-Mac is shooting 1 shot every 4 possessions. Avg.: Yao 1/5 ; T-Mac 1/4 LCD: Yao 4/20 ; T-Mac 5/20 So, Yao and T-Mac combined last season for 9/20 (roughly 50%) shot/possession ratio. In other words, either Yao or T-Mac will shoot on half their possessions. So, by saying Sura isn't doing his job getting Yao the ball is ridiculous. It's a team game, and two players averaging a shot attempt every two possessions is crazy. They ought to focus on moving the ball THROUGH Yao more. He will get his points off of Offensive boards. Thing is: Sura is the guy who brings up the ball and initiates the offense, but the offense doesn't run through him. It runs first through Tracy McGrady and second through Yao Ming. Once Ming has logged the veteran time T-Mac has, and is capable of playing 11 minutes more per game, he will automatically be getting 8 more shots a game, only 1 fewer than T-Mac. Just trust Van Gundy, he's using his pieces properly. Pardon me as I say: Yes, it's just that simple!
Ok... Last year when Sura started playing he brought a dynamic of toughness and tenacity to a team that was just stating to forge its identity. He definitely got things going for us in that department. Personally, I think that now that type of attitude is ingrained in the Rockets, Sura won't really be missed. We have jelled as a team and I don't see that being reversed because one cog (Sura) is removed from the equation. Bobby rebounded extremely well....incredibly well from the point. But, with more youth, speed, and height - I don't think his rebounding will be missed that much either. Bobby Sura's shooting and shot selection make me want to die. I just feel that any shot by anyone else but Sura is a better bet. His passing is woeful at best and he did a disgraceful job of getting the ball to Yao. I mean there was SO many times he could've gone straight to Yao but he never did...ever. He is slow laterally, and allowed alot of penetration to get through to Yao. Additionally, I saw him at a club one time and he was a dick to my girlfriend. This was like 1 hour after the Rockets had been blown out by like 27 points. And he looks like a Berenstein Bear. Keeping with the theme - I'm not Chinese either....but I still might jack your eggroll.
