<div class="quote_poster">Blurr#7 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Whoa! there.....I never said "There was no attempt to work Bonzi into the rotation" And just to be clear my point is that he did not get consistent PT and a chance to get acclamaited for whatever reason, It's very true that after an injury it takes time to get your timing and such. You even agreed yourself that having him inactive was foolish and that in certain situations he "could" help the Rockets. </div> He did get consistent PT, in three different stretches during the season. He got injured after 6-8 games each time. He was never removed from the rotation for his performance, as poor as it was. It was always because he got injured. That's a courtesy JVG didn't extend to Kirk Snyder. The one clear mistake JVG made, in my view, was not activating Bonzi for the Golden State game. Other than that, I don't have a problem with how he's handled Bonzi.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He did get consistent PT, in three different stretches during the season. He got injured after 6-8 games each time. He was never removed from the rotation for his performance, as poor as it was. It was always because he got injured. That's a courtesy JVG didn't extend to Kirk Snyder.</div> He got injured but the injuries were mostly minor. When Bonzi got healthy he was left inactive for a very long stretch. Lookin at the bigger picture he didn't even play that many games this season, and that falls on the coach. <div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The one clear mistake JVG made, in my view, was not activating Bonzi for the Golden State game. Other than that, I don't have a problem with how he's handled Bonzi.</div> U simply don't get it. If ur gonna keep him out of the rotation, that's one thing. But theres absolutley no reason to keep him inactive if he's healthy and ready to play. That falls on the coach...........
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">U simply don't get it. If ur gonna keep him out of the rotation, that's one thing. But theres absolutley no reason to keep him inactive if he's healthy and ready to play. That falls on the coach...........</div> Please. You should know Bonzi's personality by now. If he isn't going to be playing or contributing much, he'd rather not even be with the team. If that wasn't clear before, it should be after he didn't show up in Seattle. You can't assume that JVG forced him to stay away from the team. My guess is JVG told him he probably wouldn't play much if activated and they mutually agreed that Bonzi didn't have to attend the games. That's what both sides were saying, and that's what the beat writer was saying. I have no reason to doubt that. Sometimes players who aren't going to play will use game time to work out just to keep themselves in shape. Who knows, maybe that's what was going on. We simply don't know what that situation really was, but you've convinced yourself that JVG has a personal grudge against Bonzi.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He got injured but the injuries were mostly minor. When Bonzi got healthy he was left inactive for a very long stretch. Lookin at the bigger picture he didn't even play that many games this season, and that falls on the coach. </div> Which contradicts your statement that Bonzi didn't play well because of his groin injury. <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> U simply don't get it. If ur gonna keep him out of the rotation, that's one thing. But theres absolutley no reason to keep him inactive if he's healthy and ready to play. That falls on the coach...........</div> Having a bad attitude falls on the player.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Please. You should know Bonzi's personality by now. If he isn't going to be playing or contributing much, he'd rather not even be with the team. If that wasn't clear before, it should be after he didn't show up in Seattle.</div> Exactly. You can't really justify what happened this season on Bonzi's "personality" on previous teams. That's a very weak argument. The <div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You can't assume that JVG forced him to stay away from the team. My guess is JVG told him he probably wouldn't play much if activated and they mutually agreed that Bonzi didn't have to attend the games. That's what both sides were saying, and that's what the beat writer was saying. I have no reason to doubt that. Sometimes players who aren't going to play will use game time to work out just to keep themselves in shape. Who knows, maybe that's what was going on. We simply don't know what that situation really was, but you've convinced yourself that JVG has a personal grudge against Bonzi.</div> First off, it has already been reported that JVG told Bonzi to stay away from the team. So that's not my theory, it's already been confirmed. If JVG told him he wouldn't play much, my question is why? Why wouldn't he play much? Just because Battier's playin good doesn't mean he can't be rested. The same thing for Hayes. Every game is a different matchup. JVG didn't want Bonzi on the team and that's why he didn't activate him, bottomline. It's nothin more than that. <div class="quote_poster">foo82 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Which contradicts your statement that Bonzi didn't play well because of his groin injury.</div> Show me how............. <div class="quote_poster">foo82 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Having a bad attitude falls on the player.</div> Well ur the only one who assumes that. According to JVG, "Bonzi was fine, no attitude problems". You must be referring to Bonzi's Portland days again
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">First off, it has already been reported that JVG told Bonzi to stay away from the team. So that's not my theory, it's already been confirmed.</div> You're talking about the beginning of the season. Both sides have said that their differences were worked out after that initial conflict. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">If JVG told him he wouldn't play much, my question is why? Why wouldn't he play much? Just because Battier's playin good doesn't mean he can't be rested. The same thing for Hayes. Every game is a different matchup.</div> So you think we should change our rotation game by game? That's what bad teams do. Good teams have a consistent rotation and try to stick with it. And you're diverting the discussion. You asked why Bonzi wouldn't be activated, I gave a reason, and now you're reverting back to questioning why he wasn't put in the rotation (which I've also answered). All your "points" have been addressed. I think it's time you move on. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">JVG didn't want Bonzi on the team and that's why he didn't activate him, bottomline. It's nothin more than that. </div> That's your theory, purely speculative.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Show me how............. </div> You said Bonzi was struggling because he was coming off a groin injury. Then you said the injury was relatively minor. People don't struggle coming off a minor injury. Especially not for LONG periods of time. Even more especially if the injury occured several months ago. Snyder, Tmac, Yao, and Hayes all came off much worse injuries, and they "recovered" much faster. <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Well ur the only one who assumes that. According to JVG, "Bonzi was fine, no attitude problems". You must be referring to Bonzi's Portland days again</div> You think JVG is going to talk badly about a player? Sorry he's no Phil Jackson or Larry Brown and is not going to take jabs at players through the media. If you can't see something wrong with his attitude, you really are blind.
<div class="quote_poster">foo82 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You said Bonzi was struggling because he was coming off a groin injury. Then you said the injury was relatively minor. People don't struggle coming off a minor injury. Especially not for LONG periods of time. Even more especially if the injury occured several months ago. Snyder, Tmac, Yao, and Hayes all came off much worse injuries, and they "recovered" much faster.</div> You need to go back and actually "read" my posts.....If ur gonna quote me, atleast quote me right. <div class="quote_poster">foo82 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You think JVG is going to talk badly about a player? Sorry he's no Phil Jackson or Larry Brown and is not going to take jabs at players through the media. If you can't see something wrong with his attitude, you really are blind.</div> So you, Foo82, is telling me u KNOW Bonzi's attitude was terrible even though even JVG stated it wasn't. Give me ur sources........
