<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SunshineRain:</div><div class="quote_post">Where do you start? Blow the NCAA Championship, then leave. Screw up a great team that Don Nelson put together in Golden State. Get Juwan Howard to sign with his team, then leaves in free agency the next year. And now he continues to drag down the Kings every year. Career loser.</div> Webber was traded to Sacremento against his wishes. He even threatened to not report.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting eYeKey:</div><div class="quote_post">Webber was traded to Sacremento against his wishes. He even threatened to not report.</div> True dat. Sorry for getting off topic, it was not my intent.
Yeah this is a huge blow to Boozer's character and credibility...he completely went back on his word, which doesnt mean anything in sports, but as a man of honor, its supposed to be a reflection of you and your values...If Paxson was given that kind of verbal commitment from Boozer and was even only doing it to keep Boozer as a Cav longterm, that means he was looking out for the best interests of Cleveland as well as Boozer...which means the criminal in this instance is Boozer, while Paxson was merely naive for believing that Boozer would hold his end of the deal...
there is an old saying, "Don't hate the player, hate the game" and also money talks people! This is a society that evolves around money.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SunshineRain:</div><div class="quote_post">Where do you start? Blow the NCAA Championship, then leave. Screw up a great team that Don Nelson put together in Golden State. Get Juwan Howard to sign with his team, then leaves in free agency the next year. And now he continues to drag down the Kings every year. Career loser.</div> WHOA, Chris Webber was traded to Sacramento and didn't want to even be there. Chris Webber is a great player and he made the Kings, ppl didn't even know Sacramento was a city before, let alone have a basketball team. C-Webb is a great player, the subject is Boozer. Why the hell did Boozer do this, I guess money corrupts event the greatest, I thought Boozer and James would lead the Cavs to a championship in the future, but Paxson cared about Boozer and his family, giving him more money this season and Boozer betrays him..wow..I WAS a fan of Boozer, but now I hope his career doesn't sky rocket as I wanted it to, I still hope he plays decent, but NO Chamionship, NO AWARDS of any kind, just doesn't deserve it.. Paxson and the other dude (I think Gund?) should not be blamed for anything they had boozer's word, but i guess that's not good enough anymore..
It was a dirty thing what Boozer is said to be doing but this is a business and he choose what would be better for him,the Cavs should have not let him,they should have made him play for the $700,000.But hey he took advantage of the Cavs and its going to make him a lot richer.
Boozer is a Disgrace to all Dukies "According to a source who was in the room at the time the verbal deal was struck, Boozer told Gund, "If you respect me by not picking up the option, I'll show trust and loyalty to you by signing with you." from RealGm "Former Cleveland Brown defensive back Percy Ellsworth is suing the newest member of the <u><font color="#0000ff">Utah </font><a href=""http://jazz.realgm.com/"" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000ff">Jazz</font></u></u></a>, <u><font color="#0000ff">Carlos Boozer</font></u>, for $15,000 in alleged back rent." from RealGm He starting to look like a real dirtbag, I hope he comes to his senses!
I always saw Boozer as a hardworker and a man of integrity. Sadly the NBA really is losing it's supposed class acts, it really is all about the money. However we aren't Boozer. Maybe he wanted more out of this. However from a Cavaliers perspective, this was real wrong. He had it all down in Cleveland. Meaning he was considered and respected as a Cavalier. Probably tough on LeBron too, he wanted to make the playoffs this year, Boozer's leaving is just taking away from the equation.
RE: Boozer <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr_Infante:</div><div class="quote_post">Im going out of a limb and saying that there is NO hope for Boozer turning this down. Theres a buttload of money waiting to be given to him in another city and he will make the move. We all should just move on and look to see who is avaliable. Antonio McDyess Vin Baker Chris Anderson Kenyon Martain (ha) Those are my new canidates. Lets see what Paxon can do to fix his name.</div> Interesting developments with Boozers Agent resigning it just shows he had nothing to do with the deceit. If Boozer does come back it will be for the 1 yr deal and next season he could get even more money and Cleveland will have no hope of signing him, poor Boozer is gonna get dogged all season by the fans and media no matter where he ends up:0 Serves him right!
no if he stays a cav for one more season, the so-called "bird rights" will allow us to go over the cap to sign him (if gordon gund is willing to shell out the money) the agent resignation/firing deal really doesn't mean anything, pelinka and his corp didnt have much a choice in their response to the storm of controversy, whether they were behind it or not - to save business they had to make the move, it was expected paxson has really not done anything right in cleveland... the boozer deal was not 100% his fault but you can't tell me there are many GMs out there that would be in this situation, and the other moves he's made in his time here (excluding the trade under the direction of silas) have not worked out well at all
They way I see it, Boozer thought the Cavs were shortchanging him on the long-term deal they initially offered him, (40 million over 6 years). So he goes and signs an offer sheet and forces Cleveland to match (dumping salaries, etc..). Maybe he'd honestly like to stay in Cleveland, who knows? But this is the only way he would make near-max money in Cleveland - I just don't think he realized how much of a hit this would be on his reputation.
Big blow to Rob and SFX management. I wonder if teams still want to deal with them. I also read some things that his wife CeCe had a lot to do with this. Everybody's pointing finger at everyone. Boozer said that there was never an agreement and he's "surprised" at what's happening and management's saying that there was. Let's just say that Management was stupid for believing Boozer and his agent and Boozer and his agent are rats for not honoring his word. But it's still up for discussion as there's no clear cut evidences on who's at fault.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"I didn't make a prior agreement. And if I did, I would've stayed here." Boozer fires back Forward to sign with Utah Wednesday Tuesday, July 13, 2004 Branson Wright Plain Dealer Reporter Carlos Boozer has had enough of the character assassination that has pounded him since last week's announcement that the Utah Jazz have offered him $68 million over six years. Boozer has been accused of lying and backstabbing the team and its fans because he allegedly told the Cavaliers he would remain in Cleveland. As a result, the organization allowed him to become a free agent, with the intent to sign him to the mid-level exemption of $42 million over six years. According to sources within the Cavs' organization, Boozer told team officials that if they didn't pick up his option, he would sign with them. Boozer, speaking exclusively to The Plain Dealer by telephone Monday, said that is not true and he wants to set the record straight. "I didn't make a prior agreement. And if I did, I would've stayed here," Boozer said. "For them [Cavaliers] taking shots at my character is incredibly wrong, and I don't understand that. I thought I had a great relationship with them. Maybe they're trying to save face or trying to make up stuff and kill my character. And if that's the road they want to take, that's OK." Everything was apparently fine when Cavs management met with Boozer, his wife CeCe and agent Rob Pelinka on June 30. These were friendlier times, when the two sides were prepared to talk about Boozer's future with the organization. The only thing that is clear about this meeting is that the Cavs decided not to pick up the option on the last year of Boozer's contract, which was worth about $700,000. This is where things get cloudy. "I assumed they were going to pick up my option and work something out for the long term, but they went another route," Boozer said. "I was shocked that they didn't pick up my option. I left the meeting excited because this meant that I was going to get a long-term contract." </div> Boozer's side of the story
Get over it Cavs fans .. Boozer did what was best for him, your team played it stupid when they didn't sign him instead of trying to be sneaky, so shut your holes and get over it, he will now become a Morman ..LoL.. But what you guys need to worry about is LJ doing this next year! HAHAHA
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">so shut your holes and get over it</div> T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-Troll? Seems like it to me. And from my standpoint, I've been over it. I said to hell with Boozer a while ago.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">Big blow to Rob and SFX management. I wonder if teams still want to deal with them. I also read some things that his wife CeCe had a lot to do with this. Everybody's pointing finger at everyone. Boozer said that there was never an agreement and he's "surprised" at what's happening and management's saying that there was. Let's just say that Management was stupid for believing Boozer and his agent and Boozer and his agent are rats for not honoring his word. But it's still up for discussion as there's no clear cut evidences on who's at fault.</div> There's at least 2 sides to every story, and a flip side to every coin. What amazes me is, after reading one viewpoint, how quickly the entire neighborhood buys into it. Particularly if its the dirt. You don't have to read this but I've gotta post it. Do yourselves a favor and read it anyway. Just to say you humored an old man. Then try your hardest, not to accuse him, try him, convict him and hang him, without knowing the whole story. And without being on the inside, none of us ever will....................See below for the most comprehensive viewpoint I've read yet. Carlos Boozer isn't the evil narcissist Cleveland would have you believe Posted: Thursday July 15, 2004 12:20PM; Updated: Thursday July 15, 2004 1:25PM Both Carlos Boozer and the Cavaliers end up losing during this free-agency period. ? Michael Bradley: Cavs not innocent in Boozer deal The NBA hasn't released its 2004-05 schedule yet, but that shouldn't stop loyal Cavaliers fans from their preparations. Get that oil a-boiling. Carlos Boozer and the Utah Jazz will be in town at some point, for one night only, and all of Cleveland had better be ready to welcome that traitor with appropriate sound and fury. Hoist him up on the nearest yard-arm. Cover him in red ants. Make him drink Lake Erie water. Boozer is Public Enemy No. 1 in Cleveland. He's hated more than John Elway, Michael Jordan, Edgar Renteria and the dozens of other athletes who have broken northern Ohio fans' hearts over the years. It's all due to his decision to chase the cash and sign an offer sheet with the Jazz, whose new, clean, boring uniforms are perfect for new, clean, boring Salt Lake City. If you're a Cavs fan, Boozer is a money-grubbing lout who went back on his word to kindly, blind team owner Gordon Gund and altar-boy general manager Jim Paxson. If you're objective and understand how the NBA works, you realize Boozer is far from the evil, lying narcissist the Cavs are trying to convince us he is. And the Cavs are far from the NBA version of the bumbling Duke brothers, who get stuck by Louis Winthorpe and Billy Ray Valentine on frozen orange juice futures. Both parties tried to win big in this deal, and both sides ended up losing. Of course, Boozer is losing with $68 million in his bankbook, but he has suffered a defeat, nonetheless. Cleveland took the most tangible hit. Instead of picking up Boozer's 2004-05 option for $695,000 and then paying market rate for the power forward next year in the free-agent market, the Cavs tried to get assurances from Boozer, his wife, CeCe, and agent Rob Pelinka that Boozer wanted to stay in Cleveland, even at a price millions below what the market would bear. According to Gund, the Boozers said several times that they wanted to be in Cleveland, that Gund and Paxson could trust them and that long-term security was the Boozers' goal. Some went so far as to applaud the Cavs for paying Boozer $5 million-plus this year, instead of the $695,000. What altruists. Of course, the goal was to get Boozer at a discount. Once the Jazz weighed in with a $68 million offer -- $26 mil more than the Cavs could give -- Boozer began to see what was going on. He also heard a member of the Cavs' organization say that he didn't think Boozer could become an All-Star in Cleveland. So, Boozer looked around. And the Cavaliers were in trouble. Now, the Cavs have lost their power forward. Worse, they have angered LeBron James. And they had better get a viable Plan B in place pretty soon, or they risk losing the NBA's biggest name in a few years when his current contract runs out. Gund and Paxson shouldn't try to sell this "Boozer is a traitor" stuff to Bron-Bron. In the NBA, the players all want top dollar, so nobody is going to get angry at another guy who gets paid. Boozer's loss is far harder to quantify. His portfolio is certainly not a loser. And, contrary to those sports moralists out there who are ripping Boozer's decision on an ethical basis, neither is his character. This, like Michael Corleone reminded us again and again, was about business. And, as Shaq reinforced lately, the NBA is a cutthroat business. No, what Boozer has lost here is his innocence. He'll go to Utah and pound the boards, help the Jazz continue their post-Stockton/Malone renaissance and do so without fear of any karmic retribution. But he does so after making a decision that has caused him great internal upheaval. Boozer didn't just grab the money. He chose the Jazz over a franchise he knew was trying to get him for less than he was worth and was using words like "trust" to make him feel bad if he left. In the end, Boozer learned a valuable lesson about the business of the NBA. He got top dollar, but he must now endure the slings and arrows of critics, angry fans and Gund, who is trying to paint himself as a kindly patrician owner who was double-crossed, instead of a successful businessman who lost out in a high-stakes poker game. At age 23, while some of his former college buddies are still living the easy life, Boozer is all grown up. He's rich, but he is hardened. The NBA can do that to you. Just the way I see it................Tank
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tankster:</div><div class="quote_post">There's at least 2 sides to every story, and a flip side to every coin. What amazes me is, after reading one viewpoint, how quickly the entire neighborhood buys into it. Particularly if its the dirt. You don't have to read this but I've gotta post it. Do yourselves a favor and read it anyway. Just to say you humored an old man. Then try your hardest, not to accuse him, try him, convict him and hang him, without knowing the whole story. And without being on the inside, none of us ever will....................See below for the most comprehensive viewpoint I've read yet. Carlos Boozer isn't the evil narcissist Cleveland would have you believe Posted: Thursday July 15, 2004 12:20PM; Updated: Thursday July 15, 2004 1:25PM Both Carlos Boozer and the Cavaliers end up losing during this free-agency period. ? Michael Bradley: Cavs not innocent in Boozer deal The NBA hasn't released its 2004-05 schedule yet, but that shouldn't stop loyal Cavaliers fans from their preparations. Get that oil a-boiling. Carlos Boozer and the Utah Jazz will be in town at some point, for one night only, and all of Cleveland had better be ready to welcome that traitor with appropriate sound and fury. Hoist him up on the nearest yard-arm. Cover him in red ants. Make him drink Lake Erie water. Boozer is Public Enemy No. 1 in Cleveland. He's hated more than John Elway, Michael Jordan, Edgar Renteria and the dozens of other athletes who have broken northern Ohio fans' hearts over the years. It's all due to his decision to chase the cash and sign an offer sheet with the Jazz, whose new, clean, boring uniforms are perfect for new, clean, boring Salt Lake City. If you're a Cavs fan, Boozer is a money-grubbing lout who went back on his word to kindly, blind team owner Gordon Gund and altar-boy general manager Jim Paxson. If you're objective and understand how the NBA works, you realize Boozer is far from the evil, lying narcissist the Cavs are trying to convince us he is. And the Cavs are far from the NBA version of the bumbling Duke brothers, who get stuck by Louis Winthorpe and Billy Ray Valentine on frozen orange juice futures. Both parties tried to win big in this deal, and both sides ended up losing. Of course, Boozer is losing with $68 million in his bankbook, but he has suffered a defeat, nonetheless. Cleveland took the most tangible hit. Instead of picking up Boozer's 2004-05 option for $695,000 and then paying market rate for the power forward next year in the free-agent market, the Cavs tried to get assurances from Boozer, his wife, CeCe, and agent Rob Pelinka that Boozer wanted to stay in Cleveland, even at a price millions below what the market would bear. According to Gund, the Boozers said several times that they wanted to be in Cleveland, that Gund and Paxson could trust them and that long-term security was the Boozers' goal. Some went so far as to applaud the Cavs for paying Boozer $5 million-plus this year, instead of the $695,000. What altruists. Of course, the goal was to get Boozer at a discount. Once the Jazz weighed in with a $68 million offer -- $26 mil more than the Cavs could give -- Boozer began to see what was going on. He also heard a member of the Cavs' organization say that he didn't think Boozer could become an All-Star in Cleveland. So, Boozer looked around. And the Cavaliers were in trouble. Now, the Cavs have lost their power forward. Worse, they have angered LeBron James. And they had better get a viable Plan B in place pretty soon, or they risk losing the NBA's biggest name in a few years when his current contract runs out. Gund and Paxson shouldn't try to sell this "Boozer is a traitor" stuff to Bron-Bron. In the NBA, the players all want top dollar, so nobody is going to get angry at another guy who gets paid. Boozer's loss is far harder to quantify. His portfolio is certainly not a loser. And, contrary to those sports moralists out there who are ripping Boozer's decision on an ethical basis, neither is his character. This, like Michael Corleone reminded us again and again, was about business. And, as Shaq reinforced lately, the NBA is a cutthroat business. No, what Boozer has lost here is his innocence. He'll go to Utah and pound the boards, help the Jazz continue their post-Stockton/Malone renaissance and do so without fear of any karmic retribution. But he does so after making a decision that has caused him great internal upheaval. Boozer didn't just grab the money. He chose the Jazz over a franchise he knew was trying to get him for less than he was worth and was using words like "trust" to make him feel bad if he left. In the end, Boozer learned a valuable lesson about the business of the NBA. He got top dollar, but he must now endure the slings and arrows of critics, angry fans and Gund, who is trying to paint himself as a kindly patrician owner who was double-crossed, instead of a successful businessman who lost out in a high-stakes poker game. At age 23, while some of his former college buddies are still living the easy life, Boozer is all grown up. He's rich, but he is hardened. The NBA can do that to you. Just the way I see it................Tank</div> You expect any1 to read all dat?
I did. Good points made to both sides of the party in that post. Some people just have a short attention span.
