Bosh available?

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  1. drexlersdad

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    yeah that worked out great for them last time they tried it with curry and crawford.
     
  2. NattaNerNuttaMan

    NattaNerNuttaMan NattaNerNutta like Spike

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    the Celtics just did it...:cheers:
     
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    Definitly. He would give them that talented front line guy to fill out the lineup. Teamed with Rose, they would be a team to be reckoned with in the east.
     
  4. BrianFromWA

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    Uncle Ty, I agree that Bosh is a clear upgrade over where LMA is now, and the contract costs of having Bosh vice LMA make up for the uncertainty of where LMA will end up as well as the risk of Bosh leaving.

    So if was Raef and LMA for Bosh, I probably wouldn't cry too much either way. I DON'T think the pros and cons stay in the favor of trading if we're giving up Rudy and 1sts.
     
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    What I am finding amazing right now is all of you think that Portland is a more attractive place than Toronto. What exactly makes you think he would be any more willing to re-sign here than Toronto? He may just be all about getting his player marketing to make his cash. He might not give a shit about winning at all. If that is the case, there would be no reason for him to come here. If it's not about Bosh making more cash, than he isn't interested.
     
  6. NattaNerNuttaMan

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    Don't you dare insult the integrity of how I support KG, I'm one of the biggest T-Wolves fan/supporter as well as KG being my favorite player...:ghoti:

    Granted I did make the poor assumtion of thinking he meant a Center in regards to "Dominant Big man" in which the Celtic have Perkins, which is far from dominant. In that respect I was wrong.

    Please never again assume to think I don't think KG is dominant...as bad as it was to constantly see 'Sota get bumped out of the first round...KG was always one of the top Forwards...he's competitive and a sure-fire Hall of Famer!! Is and will be my favorite!

    But no hard feeligns none the less
     
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  7. Rastapopoulos

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    He has already re-signed once in Toronto, right? I get the feeling he can just see the Raptors heading in the wrong direction. I think he can get plenty of national exposure as a Trailblazer.

    I still haven't seen a good comparative analysis of Bosh and Aldridge's games to show why it is that everyone thinks that Bosh is clearly better. Yes, he's a better rebounder. But he's a good deal shorter. Can he guard perimeter players, like Aldridge can? Is his jumper as good as Aldridge's is? Can he co-exist with Oden? (Has he ever played with a dominant center other than last Summer?)

    Yes he scores a lot and is a good rebounder. That much he has in common with Zach Randolph (who outscores and outrebounds Aldridge too). What's SO great about him, exactly? I get the impression most people gushing about him haven't seen him play that much.
     
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    Because most of us live here and are a little biased? :cheers:
     
  9. JFizzleRaider

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    Bosh is a good deal shorter? Last I checked he's only an inch shorter than Aldridge, I wouldn't say thats a good deal. And yes he is a better rebounder, what does height have to do with that? Dennis Rodman is arguably the best rebounder of all time and what was he? Like 6'7? Relating Bosh to Randolph in any way shape or form is downright laughable, have you watched much of Bosh? These comments make me think you haven't.
     
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    that's debatable given that bosh isn't playing with joel/oden, and that over the last 2 years aldridge has more offensive rebounds in less minutes.

    i have. bosh isn't that much better than zach overall and their games are certainly comparable. because he was so hated here it's easy to forget that zach is a pretty damn good 1/1 offensive player and rebounder.
     
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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...=996~617~1977~615&teams=28~28~13~13&te=&cash=
    Bosh/O'Neal for Gasol/Odom
    Rizzle, (or anyone else, for that matter), who says no to this? LA gets something for Odom, and a younger, cheaper, more reliable banger than Gasol. They also now have a 20M expiring for next year.

    Colangelo gets closer to building the European Union team in Toronto. Gasol/Bargnani/Moon/Parker/Calderon.

    I don't know enough about the Raptors to know, but Bosh/K*be/Bynum (when he gets back) could be a bit more dangerous than Gasol with them would.
     
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    Is Bosh a black hole? Is he a player Roy would ask the team to trade? Doubtful. Randolph doesn't even try on defense, at least Bosh does. Zach is a great low post threat, but he's a #'s guy, is he ever going to be a main guy on a winning playoff team? No, Bosh has.
     
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    to a lesser extent, yes, and he and zach's assist numbers are comparable.

    bosh is better but neither is about to make any all-defensive teams.

    that's largely situational. bosh isn't exactly carrying toronto to the playoffs right now.
     
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    Bosh is the only option on that team, and PFs aren't supposed to get assists anyways.

    He's also averaging 2.4 assists, which is .5 more than Aldridge, so Aldridge must be a black hole too. Yay!


    You don't have to make all-D team to be a good defender. Or a defender who gives effort.

    He's trying. That team is Bosh/Cald/Injured O'Neal. You can say what you want, but at least Bosh led that garbage team to the playoffs twice already.
     
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    either that or zach isn't really as bad as perceived by most blazer fans.
     
  16. speeds

    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    Take him.
     
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    First of all, I really doubt Bosh gets moved. I mean, Steven A. Smith?

    But second, if he does, here are two options that the Raptors should be offered and should consider:

    1. Amare Stoudamire. He's worn out his welcome in Phoenix, but he did win that (undeserved) first team all-NBA not so long ago. Thing is, Colangelo would know him well - would that make a trade more or less likely?

    2. Elton Brand. Philly screwed up in signing him. He doesn't fit their style. But he is signed long-term and thus couldn't flee Canada soon. But are his problems only because of Philly's style, or have his injuries made him a shadow of his former self?

    I think Bosh would have to be happy in either of those places, or at least, either would be happy to take the risk that he would stay happy. Phoenix could throw in Barbosa, but I'm not sure what Philly could throw in.

    By the way, JFizzleRaider: you still haven't said exactly what's so good about Bosh. And he's listed as an inch shorter than LaMarcus, but you're forgetting that Bosh has a giraffe's neck (he's the anti-Brand). He also weighs less than LaMarcus. LaMarcus can play C if need be. Bosh is closer to a SF than a C. I can't see him doing to Kevin Garnett what Aldridge did last time the Blazers played the Cs.

    Now none of this would matter if he was going to be our all-everything (like he is in Toronto) because his sole role would be to score (as it is in Toronto). But if he comes here, his scoring role will diminish considerably, so he better be versatile. Aldridge is certainly that.
     
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    bosh plays a lot of center for toronto.

    and people have multiple times said what's so good about bosh. offensively, he's better than aldridge at everything and bosh also has the ability to be a good defensive player. in toronto, he doesn't really put his defensive skills to use because he's required to carry the offense. this summer in the olympics, since his offense wasn't needed he turned himself into a defensive specialist. he's a definite upgrade over aldridge and if all it took was aldridge/raef to get bosh, portland would be dumb to turn that trade down. if more pieces have to be added in, then it becomes a lot more questionable.
     
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    Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
     
  20. Rastapopoulos

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    And (the real) Bo Outlaw used to play C for the Clippers, who were also crap.

    PLAYING C doesn't mean you SHOULD or are good at it.

    Better at everything, eh? I will concede he has very good offensive numbers (shooting %s other than 3% all very good, especially considering how bad his teammates are). But of course, that can also be said of Zach. In the only defensive stats that are really measured (steals and blocks), he's worse than Aldridge. Presumably you would say that's because he conserves energy on defense in Toronto. Maybe. Maybe LaMarcus could put up better numbers if he wasn't getting out of the way of Brandon and Greg. Hard to tell. But I can't believe that Bosh is the equal of LaMarcus at defending either solid (e.g. Boozer) or tall (e.g. Gasol) PFs. And that's a major strike against him.
     

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