<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">You can gab and gab all you want about how you think they would have won just as many games without antoine. maybe youre right. maybe your some kind of mystical gypsy mutant who can view alternate realitys. thats all well and good. but if you think their overall play and TEAM CHEMISTRY did NOT take a noticeable step up when the celtics traded for Walker than you are HALLUCINATING! im not going to into an arguement about it but you can talk to any of the thousands of people who can tell you the same thing.</div>
The bottom line is that I presented fact and Antoine's fan club is just presenting opinions. That schedule was weak. Would we have gone 11/12? Maybe not. Would we have won the Atlantic? Yes. It's funny how there was this supposed "spark" that went through the team when Walker came, wouldn't that spark light a fire that would keep getting better and better with time? Nope. We got worse with each game that we had Antoine. How can you explain that? Magic? No. Reality? Yes. The team played so well during that period because it was playing bad teams. It's really simple if you think about it. And when we beat an opponent that was respectable, it was the likes of Paul Pierce and Mark Blount leading the team to victories. And is Gary Payton one of the greatest point guards of all time? Yes. Is he old and slow now? Yes. Can he play a lick of defense anymore? No. Why is it that he hasn't found a team yet when the free agent market is so short on point guards? Isn't he one of the best ever? And to the team chemistry point, don't you think the fact that they were winning games contributed to that more than the addition of Antoine? It sure is easy to have a good time when your team's schedule is so easy and you keep winning games against easy opponents.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You can gab and gab all you want about how you think they would have won just as many games without antoine. maybe youre right. maybe your some kind of mystical gypsy mutant who can view alternate realitys. thats all well and good. but if you think their overall play and TEAM CHEMISTRY did NOT take a noticeable step up when the celtics traded for Walker than you are HALLUCINATING! im not going to into an arguement about it but you can talk to any of the thousands of people who can tell you the same thing. </div> This is beating a dead horse. I think he didn't make that much of an impact, you do, let's agree to disagree. However, making points you can back up with fact is how you present an arguement, not with hearsay. If you claim that thousands of other people can tell me the same thing, quote those thousands of people, or perhaps you're just talking out your other end.
the bottom line is antoine came back and gave that team energy and brought team chemistry into the locker room if antoine didn't come bak we wouldn't have won 11 0f 12 there is no way and i dont think we would have won the division antoine is one of the main reasons y we won the atlantice division and that 11 of 12 if it wasn't for antoine we would have been worse then wut we came out 2 b
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">The bottom line is that I presented fact and Antoine's fan club is just presenting opinions. That schedule was weak. Would we have gone 11/12? Maybe not. Would we have won the Atlantic? Yes. It's funny how there was this supposed "spark" that went through the team when Walker came, wouldn't that spark light a fire that would keep getting better and better with time? Nope. We got worse with each game that we had Antoine. How can you explain that? Magic? No. Reality? Yes. The team played so well during that period because it was playing bad teams. It's really simple if you think about it. And when we beat an opponent that was respectable, it was the likes of Paul Pierce and Mark Blount leading the team to victories. And is Gary Payton one of the greatest point guards of all time? Yes. Is he old and slow now? Yes. Can he play a lick of defense anymore? No. Why is it that he hasn't found a team yet when the free agent market is so short on point guards? Isn't he one of the best ever? And to the team chemistry point, don't you think the fact that they were winning games contributed to that more than the addition of Antoine? It sure is easy to have a good time when your team's schedule is so easy and you keep winning games against easy opponents.</div> its pointless to argue with you and your basketball knowledge is at an all time low....we liost to sucky teams during the season....any team can be good on any given day....and the REASON no one has seriously thrown and offer at GP is because he might go to JAIL...no one wnats to sing him for the money and have him end up in jail....gettin antione helped the team out and thats a fact...losing antoine isnt going to help the team....losing payton isnt going to help the team...now we are back where we were 2 years ago...teams on pierces shoulders again....wiht this line up we have now i dont see us to go over 500 i dont see us making the play offs and i dont se eus being any where near as good as we were last year....case closed man
Look, regardless of what the Antoine Walker compulsive hatred club over here thinks, the fact is that its all just opinions about whether they would have won the atlantic or not. they played PLENTY of terrible teams in the first half plus of the regular season and were barely a contender for the division crown or the playoffs. Its funny to me that theyre saying that the idea that antoine added a "spark" to the team is just "opinions" when theres NO PROOF that they would have won the division without him and plenty of proof that they were worse untill they got him? Obviously they didnt become a championship caliber team once they got him but they did get good enough to stomp on some bad teams (including the phoenix suns who proved that despite the pressence of AMARE, MARION, and Q-RICH they were a terrrrible team in their significantly enormous sampling of 7 games without steve nash>) who they might have beaten some of before but would not have beaten all and may well have (gasp) not won the atlantic division!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">Look, regardless of what the Antoine Walker compulsive hatred club over here thinks, the fact is that its all just opinions about whether they would have won the atlantic or not. they played PLENTY of terrible teams in the first half plus of the regular season and were barely a contender for the division crown or the playoffs. Its funny to me that theyre saying that the idea that antoine added a "spark" to the team is just "opinions" when theres NO PROOF that they would have won the division without him and plenty of proof that they were worse untill they got him? Obviously they didnt become a championship caliber team once they got him but they did get good enough to stomp on some bad teams (including the phoenix suns who proved that despite the pressence of AMARE, MARION, and Q-RICH they were a terrrrible team in their significantly enormous sampling of 7 games without steve nash>) who they might have beaten some of before but would not have beaten all and may well have (gasp) not won the atlantic division!</div> at least someone in this thread has a high iq of basketball knowledge
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">This is beating a dead horse. I think he didn't make that much of an impact, you do, let's agree to disagree. However, making points you can back up with fact is how you present an arguement, not with hearsay. If you claim that thousands of other people can tell me the same thing, quote those thousands of people, or perhaps you're just talking out your other end.</div> *screaming* AND YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE IS YOUR PROOF????????????? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THE CELTICS WOULD HAVE WON THE DIVSION OR MADE THE PLAYOFFS ANYWAY WITHOUT HIM???????? *shaking fists and studdering* WHERE IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR VAGUE UNSUPPORTED OPINION THAT THEY WERE GOIGN TO WIN IT ANYWAY AND DID NOT GET ANY BETTER WITH HIS ADDITION!!! *face reddens* HYPOCRIT!!!! POT KETTLE BLACK!!! just kiddin fellas editors note: this post does not break the justbball rules because it is not writen entirely in CAPITAL LETTERS only 80% of it
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">Look, regardless of what the Antoine Walker compulsive hatred club over here thinks, the fact is that its all just opinions about whether they would have won the atlantic or not. they played PLENTY of terrible teams in the first half plus of the regular season and were barely a contender for the division crown or the playoffs. Its funny to me that theyre saying that the idea that antoine added a "spark" to the team is just "opinions" when theres NO PROOF that they would have won the division without him and plenty of proof that they were worse untill they got him? Obviously they didnt become a championship caliber team once they got him but they did get good enough to stomp on some bad teams (including the phoenix suns who proved that despite the pressence of AMARE, MARION, and Q-RICH they were a terrrrible team in their significantly enormous sampling of 7 games without steve nash>) who they might have beaten some of before but would not have beaten all and may well have (gasp) not won the atlantic division!</div> good to see someone knows what they are talking about in this thread
Well to be fair I do agree with this guys that 11 games seems like a pessimistic estimate at how much worse the celtics will be. Antoine did give the team a boost which you would think people cant deny, but i also believe in pierce and ricky and as long as some of the young kids get better and not worse (and maybe if one or two of the rookies proves as helpful as the kids last year did) than it should be enough to get them a low seeded playoff spot and at least a whif of a shot at the division crown.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">*screaming* AND YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE IS YOUR PROOF????????????? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THE CELTICS WOULD HAVE WON THE DIVSION OR MADE THE PLAYOFFS ANYWAY WITHOUT HIM???????? *shaking fists and studdering* WHERE IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR VAGUE UNSUPPORTED OPINION THAT THEY WERE GOIGN TO WIN IT ANYWAY AND DID NOT GET ANY BETTER WITH HIS ADDITION!!! *face reddens* HYPOCRIT!!!! POT KETTLE BLACK!!! just kiddin fellas editors note: this post does not break the justbball rules because it is not writen entirely in CAPITAL LETTERS only 80% of it</div> Ummm... I'm not sure where you got the impression that I thought they would succeed without him. I actually said that they shouldn't have won that many games with or without him. I stated that were a streaky team that never should have won as many games as it did. Sure, that may be vague and ultimately unsupported, but nowhere did I present that as fact either. And yes it does break the rules, and please don't do it again.
Look, we can agree to disagree on this one. There's no reason to get childish. This issue has nothing to do with basketball IQ, and since we aren't all playing basketball right now, a basketball IQ isn't needed. If we can't continue the discussion in a mature manner, then there will no longer be a discussion. Make your points, but don't attack other people. It's called intelligent discussion - and that's what we do here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">Well to be fair I do agree with this guys that 11 games seems like a pessimistic estimate at how much worse the celtics will be. Antoine did give the team a boost which you would think people cant deny, but i also believe in pierce and ricky and as long as some of the young kids get better and not worse (and maybe if one or two of the rookies proves as helpful as the kids last year did) than it should be enough to get them a low seeded playoff spot and at least a whif of a shot at the division crown.</div> i hope your right....i just dont see how people think antione wasnt a huge contributer to our winnings in the second half of the season....in my opinion if we do make the playoffs its the 8th seed...to young and to inexpirienced to do any better....but we just gotta wait and see
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Look, we can agree to disagree on this one. There's no reason to get childish. This issue has nothing to do with basketball IQ, and since we aren't all playing basketball right now, a basketball IQ isn't needed. If we can't continue the discussion in a mature manner, then there will no longer be a discussion. Make your points, but don't attack other people. It's called intelligent discussion - and that's what we do here.</div> agree to disagree
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">i hope your right....i just dont see how people think antione wasnt a huge contributer to our winnings in the second half of the season....in my opinion if we do make the playoffs its the 8th seed...to young and to inexpirienced to do any better....but we just gotta wait and see</div> absolutely antoine helped the team and if he wasn't here for those final months we would have been the 8th seed or mayb not in the playoffs and now that he's gone and gp is gone either the young guns have 2 step up big time and ricky and paul learn 2 b leaders and we get mark blount off this team i dont seein us havein a year like last year
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">but we just gotta wait and see</div> Amen brother. We're all C's fans here, and we all realize that the biggest thing about next season is the play of the young guns. Wins and losses really aren't going to be what next season is about, just how we piece things together. They will still be fun team to watch, probably more so, and we will get to see some of the finest talent available in last year's draft on display in our own home arena. And I don't know about you, but that gets me pretty eager about this coming year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">Amen brother. We're all C's fans here, and we all realize that the biggest thing about next season is the play of the young guns. Wins and losses really aren't going to be what next season is about, just how we piece things together. They will still be fun team to watch, probably more so, and we will get to see some of the finest talent available in last year's draft on display in our own home arena. And I don't know about you, but that gets me pretty eager about this coming year.</div> ^^^^ THE MAN SPEAKS TRUTH
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">Ummm... I'm not sure where you got the impression that I thought they would succeed without him. I actually said that they shouldn't have won that many games with or without him. I stated that were a streaky team that never should have won as many games as it did. Sure, that may be vague and ultimately unsupported, but nowhere did I present that as fact either. And yes it does break the rules, and please don't do it again.</div> hehe. believe me the jbb rules are my bible as much as they are yours!!. no need to wag the finger. dont tell me i offended you youre smart enonugh to know i was just goofing. i wasnt being childish either. if anything i was making fun of the people who do (unless you find somehting childish about clever satyr and witty parody) i wasnt attacking anybody. it really bothers me when people cant debate basketball in an appropriate manner because i am a classy gentlemen. and if i may get on my high horse for a moment, I felt if anything it was more insulting of whoever it was who accused me of expressing opinions when all I did was point to the FACT that the celtics won a larger percetnage of their games after trading for walker than they did before.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">Amen brother. We're all C's fans here, and we all realize that the biggest thing about next season is the play of the young guns. Wins and losses really aren't going to be what next season is about, just how we piece things together. They will still be fun team to watch, probably more so, and we will get to see some of the finest talent available in last year's draft on display in our own home arena. And I don't know about you, but that gets me pretty eager about this coming year.</div> yeh watching this team this year is going 2 b a real exceitment heck i'm lookin for season tickets bcuz i like this team but i'm more interested in how they do as a team and not just how the young guns do in their first year and second year i want this team 2 succeeded and hopefully win the division and make the playoffs
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">hehe. believe me the jbb rules are my bible as much as they are yours!!. no need to wag the finger. dont tell me i offended you youre smart enonugh to know i was just goofing. i wasnt being childish either. if anything i was making fun of the people who do (unless you find somehting childish about clever satyr and witty parody) i wasnt attacking anybody. it really bothers me when people cant debate basketball in an appropriate manner because i am a classy gentlemen. and if i may get on my high horse for a moment, I felt if anything it was more insulting of whoever it was who accused me of expressing opinions when all I did was point to the FACT that the celtics won a larger percetnage of their games after trading for walker than they did before.</div> I do understand that you were kidding, and I'm sure you know the rules, but next time, let's nip it in the bud. Whether class evades you or not is hardly my issue, I just wanted to talk some C's. And getting the last word isn't necessary, I already conceded that to whoever wanted it. But aside from all this pettiness, I think we can agree next year will be fun, and there's nothing like a nice little arguement to get the blood flowing. Next time, let's just keep it in bounds. And at the very least about the court, not eachother.
