I don't agree Al. We have a ton of players 30 and under. Outside of MSL and Moore and Boyle they are all 30 and under. Nash 30, Brass 27, Miller 21, Step 24, Hags 26, CK 23, Sheppard 26, Fast 23, Hayes 22, Zucc 27, Girardi 30, Klein 30, McD 25, Yandle 28, and Staal 28. We have Buch and Skjei still. So I don't agree Al. Our average age is 28 and that is WITH MSL and Boyle factored in (39 and 38). I think we have enough youth to be in a good spot as long as Hank is elite. I assume the cap will go up at least a little every season. And I know we will resign Stepan for around 6 mill long term this summer.
And don't forget in 3 or 4 or 5 years probably closer to 5 or whenever Hank slows down we will have a couple of highly rated goalies ready to step in. Our future is fine and this team will have a good chance to win over the next 5 years at least imo
I think Al's point is that yes we have a ton of youth on the roster right now, but as they get a few years older and all get raises, we probably can't keep everyone. Step Zucc Miller Hagelin this season, Kreider and Hayes next season. And giving up these picks means that there might not be anyone behind them ready to step in. Dump's mentioned it before too, you need NHL ready youth in a cap era. So yeah while everyone is young now, it also means eveyone will be looking for raises at the same time. It's a fair point, and we'll see how it plays out. I'm focused on this year and next year for now.
Big deal if we have to trade somebody. Suppose Brassard puts up back to back, 60 point seasons. Hayes turns into a 60 point guy. Rangers could probably deal Brassard with 3 years left on his contract for a top prospect, a 1st and 2nd at 29 if he is a 60 point center. Point is that when the Rangers have to deal a couple of good players who aren't ancient, they will get a huge return.
They have enough prospects like Buch, Lindberg and Skjei to fill in the slots opening when MSL, Moore and Boyle are gone, at a 1/3 of the cost to offset raises of Stepan, Hagelin, CK, Hayes and hopefully an extension for Yandle. They really didn't need D.Moore past this year as Lindberg seems more than ready by now. They may not have a ton of cap space during this next 3-4y but should have enough to supplement the team, plus Sather tends to figure it out at the DL. I'd love to see Eric Staal or Ladd here in 2016 but it may be tough.
Agree with both of you guys, although I'd say that with losing B.Boyle it was imperative to bring back Dom Moore for the playoffs. If this wasn't going to be a playoff team then no, but with cup aspirations we need a guy like that. He's having a great year and it's not like his contract is some huge weight on the cap.
Dump is dead on. Did we all just see what happened and what return some of these rentals brought back? We can flip Yandle next year for a ton if he doesn't resign. Go down the list. Brassard like Dump mentioned in a few years. You have 2 or 3 big playoff runs in you, after that you mix and match and can certainly add picks back if we want them. On top of that, the cap will go up. When the Canadian dollar rebounds it could go up A LOT. Maybe only 3 or 4 mill next season, but when the Can dollar takes a big jump the cap goes WAY up.
If the team in this position next year i wouldn't trade Yandle regardless of whether you think he'd re-sjgn. You need him in the playoffs. I agree on Moore that his salary isn't a big deal i'd just like to finally see Lindberg make the tean.
exactly...so while I applaud these moves...if it doesn't work and the current youth overprices themselves we wont be able to reach down to the farm to easily recoup. Remember we were close to the cap, that is before zucc raise and the pending raise of stepan, hags and kreider.. I don't care so much about the future..the future is now...we want a parade NOW...I will be camping out mid june for the SPOT
Kreider has another year left, so he doesn't get a raise. And the cap will go up 3 or 4 mill and MSL will come down at least 2.5 if not 3 mill, or he will be gone.
I do think Hags or MSL will need to go unless MSL takes WAY less. And that is okay as he will be 40. Lindberg and Buch will be up IMO. Once Step signs long term all the key guys are signed long term outside of Kreider and Hayes.
No shot Yandle gets dealt if they are in SC contention next March. Zero. If for some strange reason they are teetering at the cut line i could see it.
Interesting, because he traded Cally last season and he was getting ready to deal Zucc this season until he accepted 4.5 mill. Anyway, who cares. This is a pointless useless debate I have zero interest in getting into right now.
Yandle to the defense is far more important than Zucc to the offense. Plus they would've dealt him for another offensive piece. Callahan they dealt only for more O in MSL. To deal Yandle for just picks/prospect during a playoff season defeats the purpose of bringing him here and leaves us back at square one with a milktoast offense on the backend.
Anyway, I think we have enough youth here and a lot of our core guys signed longer term that I really don't see it becoming a huge issue. Worst case maybe MSL or Hags are gone next season, and if so not the end of the world.
I do agree with one point only, not having a high pick in 2015 may hurt as this is going to be a deep draft. Now looking at the 1st round draft picks for NY Rangers since 2004. How many of the picks actually worked out? I see two picks so far.... Stall and Krieder. We don't know about others yet. JT and Dylan McIrath don't impress me that much. I don't think it will be too hard to replace those two if need be. Skjei has not played in NHL yet. We all were very high on Del Zotto at some point. Had we taken Fowler instead of Dylan McIlrath probably that pick would have worked out. Most of our picks came in later rounds that should have been in the first. Stepan should have been 5th overall that year, Callahan and Dubinksy should have been 1st rounders. I am not even mentioning Lundqvist and Girardi in the prior years. Let's look. Had we had better 1st round scouting or luck I would agree with the article. Here are our picks since 2003 2003 - Jessiman 2004 - Al Mantoya 2005 - Stall 2006 - Bobby Sanguinetti 2007 - Cherepanov (rest in piece) 2008 - Del Zotto 2009 - Krieder 2010 - Dylan MacILrath 2011 - JT Miller 2012 - Brady Skjei 2013 - no pick 2014 - no pick How many 1st rounders do we currently have that were drafted by other teams that are fairly young? Brassard 2006 - 6th overall Nash 2002 - 1st overall Hayes - 2010 24th overall McDonagh - 2007 12th overall
Here is Boston's roster - take a look. How many firs rounders do they currently have? The answer is 4 with 3 drafted by Boston. I understand they traded some of their picks for certain players but so did we and last time I checked they have the same cap issues just like us. I am not saying that is a bad roster, they are a good team and 2011 SC Champs, but seriously having great scouts is what counts. It today's NHL I see Chicago, LA and Detroit having best picks in recent years. Chara - NY Islanders #56 overall Lucic - Boston #50 overall Rask - Toronto #21 overall Pastrnak - Boston #21 overall Bergeron - Boston #45 overall Marchand - Boston #71 overall Krejci - Boston #63 overall Krug - Boston undrafted Reilly Smith - Boston #69 overall Loui Eriksson - Boston #33 overall Adam McQuaid - Jackets #55 overall Daniel Paille - Buffalo #20 overall Marc Savard - Rangers #91 overall Dougie Hamilton - Boston #9 overall Matt Bartkowski - Florida #190 overall Chris Kelly - Senators #94 overall Dennis Seindenberg - Flyers #172 overall Greg Campbell - Florida #67 overall Carl Soderberg - Blues #49 overall Kevan Miller - undrafted Craig Cunningam - Boston #97 overall Ryan Fitzgerald - Boston #120 overall Jordan Caron - Boston #25 overall Ryan Spooner - Boston #45 overall Niclas Svedberg - undrafted Brian Ferlin - Boston #121 Jeremy Smith - Nashville
Exactly proves the point. It is SO overrated dealing a late 1st rounder. Now if you had a top 5 pick, or even a top 10 pick, different story, but not picks in the 20's, especially mid to late 20's like we should have this season, and last season TB got pick # 29 from us...OH NO. Now I am not saying give those picks away and they mean nothing, but I am also not going to act as if 25 or 26 is some lock stud. He can be, but also decent chance that will be a swing and a miss. We still have a 2nd and a 3rd this draft. If we are as good at drafting as some think we are, then we'll be fine with those picks. 3 of the last 4 1st rounders we did have turned out well, but I also think we can still get solid players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Overall I view this as a win now deal, but I don't view it is selling the future away. I think we have enough young guys, signed long term already, that we can stay a solid team as long as Hank is Hank.
