Zombie Brandon Rush, the forgotten Blazer

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  1. DaRizzle

    DaRizzle BLAKER

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    Went to a Clippers game and saw Randy Foye last night, he sucks

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    Yep.

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  3. mook

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    Yep.

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    I liked Brandon Rush in college, but I was in favor of the move for Bayless. He just didn't pan out. The draft is an inexact science. You're not going to get it right every time.
     
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    I wonder if there is anywhere that has a success rate by team for draft picks. Like the percentage of players that lasted past their first contract or had stats at or above some minimum baseline.

    I saw something like that by pick, but not by team.

    Anyway, I would guess that it works less then half the time all things considered.
     
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    You could take the player's efficiency stat (or effectiveness or PER or win share or Roland Rating) and multiply by draft position (since the team should get more credit for finds later in the draft).

    Then for each team, average this stat for all its draft picks. Then rank them.

    The numbers will vary too widely, so you would want to square root the two numbers in the top paragraph before multiplying them. Or cube root.
     
  7. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Even after his big game last night, Rush has a PER this season, after all of NINE games, of 14.0.

    Bayless, last season, in 74 games, had a PER of 14.3 on a 50 win team. By comparison, the much older Rush, was a starter on a 50 LOSS team and posted a PER of 9.6 in over 30 MPG. That's just flat out awful and made him one oif the worst starters, at any position, in the entire league.

    One good game does not a good player make.

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  8. handiman

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    All that shows is that Rush is statistically improved this year. Didn't he suffer a knee injury or two late in college? Maybe he's just now getting back to the form that had him perceived as an early lottery talent initially.
     
  9. KingSpeed

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    I never said Rush would be an All Star. He's just a better shooter than who we have and we wound with nothing for him. I've never said a THING about Maggette. Not sure where you got that. And all I ever said about Blatche was that IF he maintained his numbers from that stretch last season, he would become an All Star. Never said he would. As for Yi, you'll see, hahahahahaha!
     
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    Sounds like Rudy except Rush shoots 40% from the three point line and is a better rebounder. And the point is we got NOTHING for him.
     
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    I think we should bring back Ha and trade for Yi. This will give us the dreaded Yi-Ha combo.
     
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    We dont need him to be a starter. He shoots 40% from the three point line. That would be great of our bench. Look, if we got something for him, that's one thing. But we traded Jack (decent back up PG), Rush (elite three point shooter), and McRoberts (whatever) for a low first round draft pick. Disaster. All in all- we traded Deron Williams and Brandon Rush for Luke Babbitt and a 2011 draft pick. Ouch.
     
  13. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    What it shows is a SMALL sample size. Since he was suspended for 5 games, he's only played in 9 games and by your logic his 3-point shooting has regressed (0.364). He's not getting better, he's getting worse. Or, maybe we won't know for sure until he plays at this level for more than 9 games.

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  14. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    You don't know that. We got Batum with a 25th pick. What if we get a player of Batum's quality with the NOH pick. Will that help you get over missing out on a guy with a career PER of 9.6?

    Ironically, it was a pick we bought from NOH that enabled us to trade up a couple spots to land Batum. So, not all is lost. History may repeat itself. Who knows? One thing I do know; every draft as far back as I can remember, there are mulitiple players taken at 25, or below, who ended up better than Brandon Rush - many of the MUCH better.

    So, until we use that pick, we have no idea if the player we get will be better, or worse than Brandon Rush.

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  15. KingSpeed

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    Yes.
     
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    Remember, though, we lost Jack too who, with Webster, we got for Deron Williams.
     
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  17. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yes, and don't forget Ricky Sanchez and Lina Kleiza. We gave them both up to move up and land Jack.

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  18. KingSpeed

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    No, we traded our pick to Utah for the picks to land Jack and Webster.
     
  19. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Nope, you're wrong. We got the 6th and 27th picks from Utah. We used the 6th pick on Webster. Denver drafted Jack at 22 and traded him to us for Kleiza (at 27) and Sanchez (at 35).

    Details here

    BTW, look at the players taken after 25 in that draft. It helps prove my point that we could still end up getting a much better player (David Lee and Monta Ellis for starters, and about 10 other guys) than Brandon Rush with the pick from NOH.

    BNM
     
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    Keep telling yourself that... :) 7-10 tonight, 2-3 on three's. Whether or not he'll ever be an impact player, he's playing well currently. But I know how this board likes to tear apart anyone we didn't hold onto to make themselves feel better about those we did... And people wonder why Toronto fans come in here riling you guys up all the time?
     

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