<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said a player over 30 can't contribute. Lot's of players can contribute when they get over 30 years old, it's just a fact that players bodies break down little by little as they get older and they get slower. Anderson has been injury prone ever since he's been in the league. Doesn't need to play too many minutes? Isn't this guy going to be starting or at least be a 6th or 7th man? He's been getting injured whether he's been playing 30+ minutes or 25 minutes during his career and he should be averaging around those minutes anyways, so that doesn't matter.</div> We could of made the same argument about Charlie Ward's old butt, but I guess we shouldn't get DA because he's 31, and Ward is like 40. Not to mention, Ward probably can't touch the rim compared to DA who will dunk in you're face,
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said a player over 30 can't contribute. Lot's of players can contribute when they get over 30 years old, it's just a fact that players bodies break down little by little as they get older and they get slower. Anderson has been injury prone ever since he's been in the league. Doesn't need to play too many minutes? Isn't this guy going to be starting or at least be a 6th or 7th man? He's been getting injured whether he's been playing 30+ minutes or 25 minutes during his career and he should be averaging around those minutes anyways, so that doesn't matter.</div> We could of made the same argument about signing Charlie Ward's old butt, but I guess we shouldn't take a chance on DA because he's 31, and Ward is like 40. Not to mention, Ward probably can't touch the rim compared to DA who will dunk in you're face. Or maybe we should bring in Dermarr Johnson
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What is the link to the article?</div> Its a members only thing at hoopsworld.com. The only problem is you have to pay for it but if you go to the site and scroll down to the article, you'll see a brief explanation.
Do you have a semblence of an idea of why Houston signed Charlie Ward? Charlie Ward was never as injury prone as DA. It's like asking which running back would you rather have in the NFL. Fred Taylor who's perenially on the injured list, but a great back when healthy. Or someone like Marshall Faulk (past his prime) that will come to play everyday?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> We could of made the same argument about signing Charlie Ward's old butt, but I guess we shouldn't take a chance on DA because he's 31, and Ward is like 40. Not to mention, Ward probably can't touch the rim compared to DA who will dunk in you're face. Or maybe we should bring in Dermarr Johnson </div> Use the edit button next time. Did I mention that Anderson was a cancer to Portland last year. He's also pretty injury prone like Bobcats said. Those are two big reasons why he spent much of the year on the reserve list last year- sort of like Maurice Taylor to Houston. Although he wasn't injured, Taylor was lazy and kind of drained the team. From what I've heard, Andersen's the same thing. But did you register at all that Anderson's been injury prone since his rookie season? All you're doing is attacking some opinions while ignoring the glaring problems of Anderson. Saying that Ward can't dunk compared to Anderson who can is a stupid comparison. Who cares? Dunking isn't a sign of skill. Why do you keep knocking on Dermarr Johnson so much? You couldn't even give a rebuttal to my other post in the shooting guard and small forward thread. In nine minutes less that Anderson, Johnson averages just two points less and is a much more effective scorer. I wouldn't say he's the first on my list as shooting guard or small forwards go, but he's still a fairly good role player on the market right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> Did I mention that Anderson was a cancer to Portland last year.</div> Not really. When he was healthy, Portland still was not playing him. They had to make up some bs injuries to sit him out when he started complaining, like a tooth ache. Who has a tooth ache and misses a game for a serious of games in a row? It was management and the coaching staff who treated him wrong.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Use the edit button next time. Did I mention that Anderson was a cancer to Portland last year. He's also pretty injury prone like Bobcats said. Those are two big reasons why he spent much of the year on the reserve list last year- sort of like Maurice Taylor to Houston. Although he wasn't injured, Taylor was lazy and kind of drained the team. From what I've heard, Andersen's the same thing. But did you register at all that Anderson's been injury prone since his rookie season? All you're doing is attacking some opinions while ignoring the glaring problems of Anderson. Saying that Ward can't dunk compared to Anderson who can is a stupid comparison. Who cares? Dunking isn't a sign of skill. Why do you keep knocking on Dermarr Johnson so much? You couldn't even give a rebuttal to my other post in the shooting guard and small forward thread. In nine minutes less that Anderson, Johnson averages just two points less and is a much more effective scorer. I wouldn't say he's the first on my list as shooting guard or small forwards go, but he's still a fairly good role player on the market right now.</div> That's why I never responded. Because you often manipulate the stats. Despite his injury, Anderson is a career scorer of 13.1 pts a game. He played sparingly last year and still average about 10pts, and was up around 40% from the 3pt line. All compared to a Dermarr Johnson who has NEVER averaged double figures, and has NEVER had any range on his jumpshot. On top of that, has very little (I was wrong) experience in the playoffs. So basically I'd rather take a chance on a guy (DA) who is obviously more talented, shoots the 3pt shot a WHOLE lot better, and averages more steals. Devon George atleast had Finals experience, and knows how to play with two superstars (Kobe & Shaq). The biggest point you seem to be missing, is Derek Anderson and Devon George have been key role players on GREAT teams, meaning they understand the concept of playing with SUPERSTARS. So it would be an easier transition playing with a Tmac and Yao. All the while, Dermarr Johnson hasn't played in a CRUCIAL situation in his career. By the way, the whole Portland organization is a CANCER. Every player that has went there complains, so that point is very "weak". Just like Ballerz says, DA is a veteran that knows how to score and play killer D, exactly what the Rockets need at the SG/ SF position
I am calling BS until this is reported by a credible source. It hasn't been mentioned on Insider, nor any other news agency that I read from. Whoever told you that HoopsWorld is a credible source lied to you. It probably just came from someone who thought it would be cool to throw people in RealGM's Trade Checker and see what happens.
****, that beat kool beans...but like everybody saying, just straight up bullshit, but **** I BE DAMN if it happens
Alot of you people have no idea about the politics of basketball. That's ok, I had no idea until I joined this board, and learnt alot from the other posters. Based on salaries, etc etc, Portland are getting exactly what they want in this trade: a whole lot of cash. All the contracts we're giving up (Spoon, Baker Ward Wesley etc) are expiring which means that next season, they are free agents and all the money going to their contracts is free'd up to sign better players. Also another thing, ask any Blazers fan on their stance on Damon and Derek. They want Damon gone because he hates playing for Prtland, and Telfair (and now Jarret Jack) need more minutes. And as for Derek, well his problems have been mentioned already ie. injuries, age, etc. He played very little games last season, and Portland fans think he is a waste of space. Despite Damon and Derek being good players they are not a part of the Blazers future which means the blazers are very likely to bite the bullet on this trade. ----------------- While we're talking about hoopsworld, I should also say that they have also mentioned that Zaza Pachulia wants out of Milwaukee. Good pick up for us?
The only reason the Blazers would do this is if they were going into rebuilding mode. If you think about it, they don't need either of these players anymore since they have Martell Webster who is capable of starting at the shooting guard position. Then they have Sebastian Telfair and Jarrett Jack who are both point guards that start right away. I think Portland is trying to ship out two good players to make room for their future stars and to give their young guys a chance to play with no competition. With this move, they also get a few expiring contracts and would get to sign some big free agents next summer with all their free cap room. From the Rockets stand point, I have no idea why they wouldn't pull the trigger on this deal immediately. The only positions that they need help at are the two guard positions and this fills their needs right away. They add two good scorers to complete their starting lineup and would have added three players this offseason that will compliment Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming very nicely and will make the Rockets one of the elite teams in the Western Conference. If this deal goes down, I think the Rockets will have capped off their offseason perfectly and they would have filled every spot they lacked in last season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">The only reason the Blazers would do this is if they were going into rebuilding mode. If you think about it, they don't need either of these players anymore since they have Martell Webster who is capable of starting at the shooting guard position. Then they have Sebastian Telfair and Jarrett Jack who are both point guards that start right away. I think Portland is trying to ship out two good players to make room for their future stars and to give their young guys a chance to play with no competition. With this move, they also get a few expiring contracts and would get to sign some big free agents next summer with all their free cap room. From the Rockets stand point, I have no idea why they would pull the trigger on this deal immediately. The only positions that they need help at are the two guard positions and this fills their needs right away. They add two good scorers to complete their starting lineup and would have added three players this offseason that will compliment Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming very nicely and will make the Rockets one of the elite teams in the Western Conference. If this deal goes down, I think the Rockets will have capped off their offseason perfectly and they would have filled every spot they lacked in last season.</div> well said
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">The only reason the Blazers would do this is if they were going into rebuilding mode. If you think about it, they don't need either of these players anymore since they have Martell Webster who is capable of starting at the shooting guard position. Then they have Sebastian Telfair and Jarrett Jack who are both point guards that start right away. I think Portland is trying to ship out two good players to make room for their future stars and to give their young guys a chance to play with no competition. With this move, they also get a few expiring contracts and would get to sign some big free agents next summer with all their free cap room. From the Rockets stand point, I have no idea why they wouldn't pull the trigger on this deal immediately. The only positions that they need help at are the two guard positions and this fills their needs right away. They add two good scorers to complete their starting lineup and would have added three players this offseason that will compliment Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming very nicely and will make the Rockets one of the elite teams in the Western Conference. If this deal goes down, I think the Rockets will have capped off their offseason perfectly and they would have filled every spot they lacked in last season.</div> I dont think Portland are doing solely to make room for their youngsters. It also has to do with the fact that Damon Stoudamire wants out, and Derek Anderson -while being talented- has been useless to Portland over the last 2 seasons. Think of it the way that us Rocket fans viewed Maurice Taylor. He was and still is talented, and was playing well in NY, but in the Rockets he was useless this past season. ALSO, while I don't mind the Rockets pulling the trigger, I could think of a good reason not too. Our expiring contracts our worth even more to certain teams who are willing to give up more than Damon and Derek. If we are patient, ei. wait until trade deadline time, we could get even more for those contracts. Refer to Baron Davis to the Warriors and you'll get my drift. The problem with this is that if we are offered the Portland trade, its hard to resist when you're not 100% sure that you might be offered a trade during the season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font size="2">Tuesday, July 26, 2005 </font> Ford: Good news, bad news ESPN Insider Chad Ford wonders what all of the 'bad' teams are waiting for this summer, and he includes the Blazers in his list: The good news for Blazers fans is that this is one of the brightest young teams in the NBA. The problem is the Blazers now need a few veterans who can show them how to win. So far, the Blazers have struck out. They've made pitches for Daniels and Jasikevicius but are still looking for the leadership, toughness and experience that Nate McMillan needs to turn the Blazers into a winner. OregonLive.com </div> This probably started the trade rumor.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">We could of made the same argument about Charlie Ward's old butt, but I guess we shouldn't get DA because he's 31, and Ward is like 40. Not to mention, Ward probably can't touch the rim compared to DA who will dunk in you're face,</div> What the hell does Charlie Ward have to do with this. If anything, you are strengthening his argument by saying that old guys suck.
I would like to see G.wallace as a backup DA and DS would be a nice addition and getting rid of wesley and weatherspoon would be great ain't gonna happen imo
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">We could of made the same argument about Charlie Ward's old butt, but I guess we shouldn't get DA because he's 31, and Ward is like 40. Not to mention, Ward probably can't touch the rim compared to DA who will dunk in you're face,</div> What does Charlie Ward have to do with anything? He was never anything more than an ok role player back in his Knicks days. At least Anderson (used to) be a good player averaging around 17 PPG.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JuLiO-R-:</div><div class="quote_post">This probably started the trade rumor.</div> And here's whats going to shut it down- <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Whether the Trail Blazers have any interest in the Rockets' expiring contracts ? those of Clarence Weatherspoon, Moochie Norris, Vin Baker and Charlie Ward ? remains to be seen. Should a deal with Stoudamire fail to materialize, the Rockets might turn their attention to Gary Payton, Latrell Sprewell or Michael Finley.</div> Source If we ever are going to get Stoudemire, its probably going to be a sign and trade. I just don't see a deal happening. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> That's why I never responded. Because you often manipulate the stats. Despite his injury, Anderson is a career scorer of 13.1 pts a game. He played sparingly last year and still average about 10pts, and was up around 40% from the 3pt line. All compared to a Dermarr Johnson who has NEVER averaged double figures, and has NEVER had any range on his jumpshot. On top of that, has very little (I was wrong) experience in the playoffs. So basically I'd rather take a chance on a guy (DA) who is obviously more talented, shoots the 3pt shot a WHOLE lot better, and averages more steals. Devon George atleast had Finals experience, and knows how to play with two superstars (Kobe & Shaq).</div> How do I manipulate the stats? I give the info to you raw and clear. Career stats doesn't matter when it comes to someone of Anderson's age. I mean, say a player comes into the league, drops twenty points for around two years. Then, he suffers a major injury or something and starts averaging only like five points a game. The career stats will be skewed. This is pretty much like Andersen's case except he never had that major injury- he was injury prone for most of his career. You call averaging 26.4 minutes last year sparingly? If anything, thats probably the amount of minutes he would get if he was with us since we're stocked with guards and would undoubtly switch Sura or McGrady to shooting guard some time. Oh yeah, and don't round the shooting percentages to the tenth places. If .384 (Anderson's real percentage) can be around 40%, then Dermarr Johnson's .358 can also be around 40%. And, if anything, you're the one manipulating the stats. The reason why Dermarr Johnson has never averaged double figure points is because he has been played with an average of 18.8 minutes in his career. Last year, he averaged 17.4 minutes per game but still managed just two points under Anderson's. I think I'm starting to repeat myself now. Why are you saying Johnson has little range on his jumpshot? 58% of his shots are jumpers while he has a .493 efficiency field goal percentage on it. Not too bad for someone that has never had range on his jumpshot. Again, when you're comparing steals- there's not much difference between .77 (Anderson's) and .61 (Johnson's) especially when Dermarr's on the court for around ten minutes less than Anderson. And although Johnson has never played with superstars, he plays with a lot of great players- Andre Miller, Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Marcus Camby, and Earl Boykins. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The biggest point you seem to be missing, is Derek Anderson and Devon George have been key role players on GREAT teams, meaning they understand the concept of playing with SUPERSTARS. So it would be an easier transition playing with a Tmac and Yao. All the while, Dermarr Johnson hasn't played in a CRUCIAL situation in his career. By the way, the whole Portland organization is a CANCER. Every player that has went there complains, so that point is very "weak".</div> Johnson is already a decent role player. Its not like its his fault that he's never been on teams with superstars (again, Denver has a couple semi's). How hard can it be to dish the ball to the superstar? Yao sets a pick and role for McGrady who dishes it back. All the role players really need to do is cut for easy buckets, go out to the perimeter for assists from Yao, hustle, and play tough defense. Next time, read my entire post before attacking a couple sentences. I have constantly mentioned that Dermarr plays a lot less minutes than Anderson yet you never pick this concept up. And Johnson isn't even my first pick for the shooting guard or small forward spot. I'm done with this argument.
