<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post"> First off, Ainge got the best deal he could for Walker</div> :ROFL: WOW! uhh.....nope! i like how you conveniently leave out the fact that the reason that that's the "best deal" he couldve gotten for Walker was becasue he foolishly insisted on trading him that offseason when his value was at an all-time low just because of a silly personal grudge. It's just about universally acknowledged now that he jumped the gun on that deal and could have gotten a MUCH better one if he had waited untill the season started and other teams had gotten to see Walker as the newly slimmed down and quickened version of himself that he had wqorked so hard that off season to become and not the overweight slouch who got embarrassed by the nba legend kenyon martin in the playoffs. oh yeah. i forgot! That trade was great because they were only doing it so they could draft tony allen like you said. Because of course Danny knew EXACTLY what number that draft pick was going to end up being and new that TOny Allen would still be there as one of the steals of the draft!
Why is this signing an issue? He's capable of running the floor, of playing solid defense, he's a great passer at his postion, he can stroke the jumpshot pretty well for a bigmen, he's been to the championship twice, and he's played with the best point guard since Magic Johnson. Why does this signing bother you? 3 Million a year? Not that big of a deal for a player who brings a little bit of everything to the table. He's an energy player and a hussle player, just what The Celtics need. If Antoine Walker leaves than Al Jefferson has his back up in Brian Scalabrine.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post"> :ROFL: WOW! uhh.....nope! i like how you conveniently leave out the fact that the reason that that's the "best deal" he couldve gotten for Walker was becasue he foolishly insisted on trading him that offseason when his value was at an all-time low just because of a silly personal grudge. It's just about universally acknowledged now that he jumped the gun on that deal and could have gotten a MUCH better one if he had waited untill the season started and other teams had gotten to see Walker as the newly slimmed down and quickened version of himself that he had wqorked so hard that off season to become and not the overweight slouch who got embarrassed by the nba legend kenyon martin in the playoffs. oh yeah. i forgot! That trade was great because they were only doing it so they could draft tony allen like you said. Because of course Danny knew EXACTLY what number that draft pick was going to end up being and new that TOny Allen would still be there as one of the steals of the draft!</div> How could he have gotten more for Walker? I mean all Dallas got was Jason Terry, simply because The Hawks wanted Walker's expiring contract, had nothing to do with his game. All Atlanta got was Gary Payton and some expiring contracts, and Payton was just released anyway. The Celtics got Raef LaFrentz, Jiri Welsch, and a draft selection that turned out to be Tony Allen. Your quick to point out his value was at an all time low, but the fact of the matter is his value never recovered. What's he going to get paid this season? Mid Level Exception? Perhaps 7-8 Million Tops if he goes to a sub 500 team? Honestly. Walker's value fell and never recovered, Ainge wanted him gone, he pulled the trigger on the Raef Deal, and even today wouldn't get much more in return for Walker.
Brian Scalabrine + Matt Bonner = twins lol But seriously though, I have never been impressed by his play, and I can see Celtic management regretting this move in a few years... "O'Doyle Rules!"
No one is explaining to me how this deal hurts Boston in any way. 3 Million Dollars a year? Less Money that Mark Blount and I bet you his production would be higher if he got the same amount of minutes....lol
Niednagel All I can say about this is: if our friend the dubious brain doc Niednagel says it's a go, then what can Ainge say? Obviously you don't go and argue with the guy who forced you to sign the core of your bench, and make the starters happy by getting the right guys in town. I won't fight it, but boy, why not just go after Matt Bonner and complete the cycle? Heinsohn would probably crap his pants if there were two big, gangly, useless redheads on the floor at the same time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">No one is explaining to me how this deal hurts Boston in any way. 3 Million Dollars a year? Less Money that Mark Blount and I bet you his production would be higher if he got the same amount of minutes....lol</div> I'm almost certain you're right on that one. If there's any other man in league over 6 foot 5 who can go 22 minutes and still achieve the dreaded trillion, I'd like to meet him and spit on his shoes, just like I'd like to do to Mark Blount. Would there be anything more hysterical than Blount with his semi-retarded version of the Slick Watts headband look, and his stunned puppy look giving someone the classic Mutombo finger-wag. Silly tangent, but the image just has me dying.
He is garbage. im happy hes goin to be out of new jersey. a waste of money and cap space. i doubt he will ever be a 15 point player. he is pretty awful so im happy he left the nets. i dont even noe y the celtics took him. im sure they will regret it later
Brian is not that bad of a deal at all. he can put up some # too. he greatly improved his mid-range jumpers and ocassional 3 pointers. the best part is his character and determination to play and improve his game. so pls. dont judge him yet, let him play for you for a whole season and prove him self to all you celtics fans
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">Would there be anything more hysterical than Blount with his semi-retarded version of the Slick Watts headband look, and his stunned puppy look giving someone the classic Mutombo finger-wag. Silly tangent, but the image just has me dying.</div> AWESOME Someone else thinks Blount looks like a confused puppy! Woooohooo
the more i think about it... the more I realize that this scalebrini signing was even dumber than we thought in the first place! Last season, he averaged 6.3 points and 4.5 rebounds in 21.6 minutes per game. i knew his stats were mediocre but i didnt realize he was getting major minutes to try and prove himself. AL JEFFERSON put up better numbers than that last year in way less minutes and he was a rookie out of high school! Scalabrini won't (shouldnt) get that many minutes when hes on the celtics so how does danny expect him to make contributions that make him worth a 5 year comittment
^^ i definitely agree with everything you said, and yes Scalabrini was brought because he has a good attitude..but i mean foreal you cant just sign a subpar player just because he has a good attitude.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">the more I realize that this scalebrini signing was even dumber than we thought in the first place! Last season, he averaged 6.3 points and 4.5 rebounds in 21.6 minutes per game. i knew his stats were mediocre but i didnt realize he was getting major minutes to try and prove himself. AL JEFFERSON put up better numbers than that last year in way less minutes and he was a rookie out of high school! Scalabrini won't (shouldnt) get that many minutes when hes on the celtics so how does danny expect him to make contributions that make him worth a 5 year comittment</div>With everything else that's happening, you are still dwelling on this? Seriously, are you ever positive? This is such a non-issue that it's barely worth discussing. He may be signed for 5 years....but it's for pennies. It's a career backup contract. Put it this way: Now with 14 players on the active roster, there's no chance that minutes will be available for all the players. If somebody is going to be riding the bench, don't you want it to be a player like him? He knows his role and he will be a positive influence to the rest of the team. But, let's be honest. You're just going to ignore everything good and continue to be as negative as possible.
Brian Scalabrine is the man. He's very servicable off of the bench and should add some depth to the team. Not to mention he's Enumclaw, WA bred so he's obviously a born winner.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">With everything else that's happening, you are still dwelling on this? Seriously, are you ever positive? This is such a non-issue that it's barely worth discussing. He may be signed for 5 years....but it's for pennies. It's a career backup contract. Put it this way: Now with 14 players on the active roster, there's no chance that minutes will be available for all the players. If somebody is going to be riding the bench, don't you want it to be a player like him? He knows his role and he will be a positive influence to the rest of the team. But, let's be honest. You're just going to ignore everything good and continue to be as negative as possible.</div> now, now. no need to be a demonstrative and rude like u were with that last comment. Fine. hes not goig to play minutes. someones got to ride the bench yes and it might as well be him ok fine. but wouldnt it be better to not even have him on the team taking up the roster spot and salary dough? maybe youre one of these rich fatcats who thinks 3 million dollars is "pennies" but to working joes like us that's a lot of money. It may not be much compared to other NBA players make but a 5 year contract is a big commitment any way u look at it especially for a big slowpoke like scalibrini! And so WHAT if hes a good citizen?? he could be mother teresa but how is he going to be any kind of influence on the rest of the team? If he cant perform they wont respect him and therefore wont look to him as any kind of role model. Theyll jjust see him as a big white slow redhead making too much money
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">But, let's be honest. You're just going to ignore everything good and continue to be as negative as possible.</div> Seems like a sound prediction. But seriously, is there <u>anything</u> negative about this deal? Three mil a year? Woopdee doo! Five years? In four, someone will want his expiring contract. Limited minutes? Who cares, he's big and slow, and extremely driven, makes smart fouls, and plays hard. The worst thing that could happen is that he has to play 20 to 25 minutes a game for a part of a season thanks to injuries. And those injuries would have to happen to Mark Blount, and nothing would please me more than that. Is there a single person who could learn more about his game from Raef LaFrentz? Raef plays a more athletic (and yes, I do mean that) version of Scalabrine's game, and he plays it better. Is there any chance Scalabrine could learn some important factors of his game that he may have overlooked? Absolutely yes. For instance, how about the angles and rotations involved in being a decent weak-side shotblocker? Could Raef teach that to someone willing to learn? Yes. How about drawing a big man out of the paint to hoist some outside shooting, while opening up the lane for young, solid transition players? Sounds good. How about another long body to grab rebounds for a team starved of them (I'm looking in Blount's direction again)? I don't see the downside. And as we all have seen time and again, five year contracts (for non-guaranteed money, no less) have a way of becoming trade fodder and almost never playing out entirely on one team. I think Glenn Robinson has proved that for us.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">oh yeah. i forgot! That trade was great because they were only doing it so they could draft tony allen like you said. Because of course Danny knew EXACTLY what number that draft pick was going to end up being and new that TOny Allen would still be there as one of the steals of the draft!</div> Seems you do have a short memory. They made that deal because of an experiment, one by the name of Jiri Welsch. A no-name, no-chance, 2/3 tweener that no one knew anything about, not even Dallas, because they never gave him a shot. He was drafted, never rose above question mark status, and dealt with the expectation that he would score and play perimeter defense. Two things he almost did well. Raef was the only other major concession that Dallas had to make, and they had no problem unloading that contract, because he made it possible with his 9 mil a year. Aside from that, that first rounder coincidentally became a great pick, and a good thing too, but that still doesn't account for Walker's return, which, I might add, was pennies on the dollar. Googs and Michael Stewart for Walker. Not a bad deal if you ask me. Ainge did know what he was doing, despite your short-sighted opinion, and has proved it to us many times since then. I'm talking about Banks and Payton here, those respective deals, when was the last time a GM had that much foresight? Ever? Anyway, enough of your ignorant negativity, use your brain around here, like most of our other contributors. And keep your foolishness to yourself. And as for your ridiculousness about being a 'working joe' and us being fatcats. I think we can all realize that athletes make a lot more than we do, and that, yes, we know three mil is a lot, but not in context. It seems context is a literary tool you don't use or recognize very well. None of us here are 'fatcats,' I know I'm flat broke, but I also recognize that three mil a year for a veteran with big game experience is just that, pennies. Get off your high horse, and start dealing with the issues, not your petty grumblings and grudges.
